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The policy sounds no different to SWTs policy TBH - if AP tickets are still available then reservations are compulsory. It sounds to me they've removed reservations on peak time arrivals into St Pancras and peak time departures from St Pancras which IMHO is actually pretty fair ... first come first serve as they say.

That coloured woman in the vid ... "The service is appalling and I just missed a train because of a problem with a car parking machine" - surely in English that means "I arrived a bit too late and I missed my train because the car parking machine was as slow as always."
 

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That coloured woman in the vid ... "The service is appalling and I just missed a train because of a problem with a car parking machine" - surely in English that means "I arrived a bit too late and I missed my train because the car parking machine was as slow as always."

About as bad as the people in my train today. They missed their stop because they stopped for a chat on the way off the train and gave the conductor abuse for it :roll:

But I deviate from the point. The report was completely biased and the interviewees were, quite frankly, terrible. "I'll have to take another line!!!" :sign5: . Some of them should try commuting into Glasgow. On some trains, a seat is a luxury!

I can appreciate them taking seat reservations off for peak-time trains (off-peak services are another matter) and, whilst it's not the best policy, it stops people double booking as they said it would.
 

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That coloured woman in the vid ... "The service is appalling and I just missed a train because of a problem with a car parking machine" - surely in English that means "I arrived a bit too late and I missed my train because the car parking machine was as slow as always."

She shouldve set her clock 10-15 minutes faster like the rest of us black folk!

At peak times, no-one takes notice of the seat reservations and neither is it enforced (is it ever?)
 

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Use another line? GCR back open or something?

Sounds fair with the seat reservations in peak but off peak is wrong, typical commuters though, little sheep, one does something they all do it.
 

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Seat reservations are often enforced, yeah.

I don't see why they're taking them off. If nobody's occupying a seat, then someone else can sit there. Why not just have a quota of seats which can be reserved?
 

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Why not just have a quota of seats which can be reserved?

Don't Virgin Voyagers have so many seats that cannot be reserved? If so, maybe EMT should follow suit. If not, it's an idea.

Also, to stopmultiple bookings by the same person, ensure that all reservees give their name, and prevent them from booking multiple seats at the same time. Clearly, Mr. Smith from 123 Fake Street can't be on 6 trains at the same time, for example.
 

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I have been on many a VWC journeys and have seen numerous reserved seats go to waste as the person does not turn up. They should be penalised as im sure theres extra admin work on actually reserving a seat.

Works both ways, i dont blame them but really in off peaks it should be turn up and go on a you snooze you lose basis.
 

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I have been on many a VWC journeys and have seen numerous reserved seats go to waste as the person does not turn up. They should be penalised as im sure theres extra admin work on actually reserving a seat.

Works both ways, i dont blame them but really in off peaks it should be turn up and go on a you snooze you lose basis.

I travelled on pendolinos with seat reservations in September on a trip to Scotland and back. Neither time did I sit in "my seat" as although I specified a window seat the one allocated was next to a pillar. Each time I moved to a better unreserved seat with a clear view.

If you want to penalise people it should be those who occupy the aisle seat and put their bags on the window seat so as not to have someone sit next to them. That is so annoying especially on full trains.
 

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Some of them should try commuting into Glasgow. On some trains, a seat is a luxury!

I know. I went to school (nr. Dalreoch) onthe train last week... Big mistake. About 270 people (mostly students) crammed into a 230 seat train.:shock:
 

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I know. I went to school (nr. Dalreoch) onthe train last week... Big mistake. About 270 people (mostly students) crammed into a 230 seat train.:shock:

Lucky you. The 0807 Whifflet to Glasgow Central frequently sees about 200 people on a single class 156!
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I travelled on pendolinos with seat reservations in September on a trip to Scotland and back. Neither time did I sit in "my seat" as although I specified a window seat the one allocated was next to a pillar. Each time I moved to a better unreserved seat with a clear view.

I have to admit to doing this a few times as well. The person took my window seat (on a 170s to Aberdeen). No big deal really. But they had BO and kept falling asleep in my shoulder, so I just went away.

If you want to penalise people it should be those who occupy the aisle seat and put their bags on the window seat so as not to have someone sit next to them. That is so annoying especially on full trains.

North Clyde trains feature people sitting in the outside row of seats only, so the inner (window) seats aren't occupied, so over half the seating capacity can be lost to these inconsiderate morons.
 

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When traveling on MML (Now EMT), I check if the seat has been booked. If it has I then look where from, if its before the station I boarded at. Say from St Pancras and I got on at Luton, I'll just sit there.

When I book in advance, If I can't get a window/table seat ill still book, but look for a seat id rather have, again checking if its been reserved or not. MML staff never had a issue with that.
 

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Common sense needs to come into play here. For example, if I'm travelling from Leicester to St. Pancras and it's a mostly full train and I come to an empty seat and the reservation states "Reserved from Derby to St Pancras" then surely by Leicester that person would of sat there. Obviously because there is no-one is there, I take that seat. If someone who has a reasonable seat reservation ticket and wants the seat then I move.

There is no need to ban non-advance ticket seat reservation for this. Great start from Stagecoach as per usual.......
 

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You do exactly the same as I do then!

Withdrawing seat reservations?! Why? What difference will that make? It'll inconvience a lot of people, as obviously AP fares are complusory seat reservations. So will this mean absolutely NO AP fares during the ill-defined peak times on the MML?
 

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I've often booked then moved seats. Guards don't seem to mind at all, and this is on a few TOCs, they are only bothered you are on the right train. One thing I always do though is take the reservation slip out (never had one where there was another reservation after me, but I'd either leave it in or put it back before I got off), so that someone looking for an empty seat knows it's no longer reserved. Technically it is against the rules, but in reality it's the fairer option. Of cource, on trains with electronic reservations that can't be done.
Last time I moved seats was on an MML Meridien from St Pancras. I'd gone down in the morning on a busy peak hour train (it was the semi-fast that runs via the Wymington Deviation, the part where the slow lines divert around and under Sharnbrook Summit, so the Master Cutler can pass, which was one of the few bits of the MML I needed), so had booked to get a seat and to get a cheaper price. Coming back though later that evening I was reserved in coach A seat 1A, an airline seat at the back of the front coach, right next to a window pillar. The only other seat that seemed to be booked on the whole train was seat 2A, the aisle seat next to me. Naturally I moved to a table to spread out, and infact other than the driver, and briefly the guard when the came to check my ticket, I was the only person in the carriage for the whole journey.
 

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I never sit in my reserved seat, unless it is where i want it or the train is full and standing in which case I sit down. My seating requirements are for a window seat preferably at the back of coach A on the Dawlish Sea Wall side...

I rarely use tables as i'd rather not stare at some randomer.
 

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People need to stop being stupid, sit in their reservations and put their luggage in the racks!

Perfect example of passengers taking up more than one seat on a train would be the 1723 VWC service from Stockport to London Euston.
I always sit in the quiet coach at the back, and every time I get on, the entire coach is full...sort of.
Every single person in that coach is sat at the window seat, with their belongings filling the seat next to them. I always have to sit on the floor until Stoke-on-Trent, until the entire coach empties!
 

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People need to stop being stupid, sit in their reservations and put their luggage in the racks!

Perfect example of passengers taking up more than one seat on a train would be the 1723 VWC service from Stockport to London Euston.
I always sit in the quiet coach at the back, and every time I get on, the entire coach is full...sort of.
Every single person in that coach is sat at the window seat, with their belongings filling the seat next to them. I always have to sit on the floor until Stoke-on-Trent, until the entire coach empties!

I will put my rucsac next to me normally so I can get stuff out, but if people get on and need a seat or ask me to move it, then I do.
 

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Yeah, exactly. It's okay if the seat isn't reserved or the train has enough spare seats. But when the entire coach is half full of people and the other half of their belongings, and you walk down the coach looking for seats, and everyone looks away from you so you don't sit with them, it's annoying! Especially when you have to sit on the floor near the toilet and the door for half an hour cause no one is kind enough to let you sit down.
 

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If someone has a bag on a seat with the carrage full, then I just ask politley, but in a stern voice if I can sit there. You have a legal right to a seat when you buy a ticket, and the passenger should oblige.

If the carriage is full and they don't move their luggage off the seat, then they should pay the full fare for an extra seat, simple as that!
 

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Ah yes, but one, they're bigger than me, and two, I cannot request a seat, as I have not bought a ticket.
 

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Well, I could always hold my priv up, say I'm rail staff and tell them to shift :p

...which someone has actually done to me!

Disgraceful.
 

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Yep, he kept telling people off too. Feet off seats, move your bags, etc.
If I'd have had my priv at the time, I would have got it out and done the same to him!

Back on topic though, I think seat reservations should be put back in place, but they should find a way to make people actually sit in them! Or if people aren't going to sit in them, don't make them compulsary for advance tickets and let people choose whether they want the reservation or not.
 

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bags on seats in the norm on silverlink/lm especially desiros, because ppl are to lazy to put bags in the rack, once had a lady with one of those wheelie cases on the seat and it was raining out side, so the seat was wet, asked her to move it , the reply was not nice, asked for her ticket, took it and removed her at the next station for abusive language, gave her back her ticket and ripped it down the magnetic strip, enjoy your trip with a smile?

cant you be finned 200 pound for removing a reservation, and 50 pound for sitting in a seat that is not yours.
 

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cant you be finned 200 pound for removing a reservation, and 50 pound for sitting in a seat that is not yours.
Yes, but that isn't really enforced. Ever.

I got on the sleeper at Exeter to Penzance this summer at about 4am, (payed normal fare for tickets and everything!) got to my seat in the coach, and found two people taking up four seats with their legs and bags (they had even removed the reservation tickets from the seats!).
Of course I couldn't really do much about it, cause it was 4am and I didn't wanna wake everyone up. Plus I'm crap with confrontation.
After speaking to the guard, he took the lazy option, and just told us to go sit in first class.
 

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Yes, but that isn't really enforced. Ever.

I got on the sleeper at Exeter to Penzance this summer at about 4am, (payed normal fare for tickets and everything!) got to my seat in the coach, and found two people taking up four seats with their legs and bags (they had even removed the reservation tickets from the seats!).
Of course I couldn't really do much about it, cause it was 4am and I didn't wanna wake everyone up. Plus I'm crap with confrontation.
After speaking to the guard, he took the lazy option, and just told us to go sit in first class.

weel that's better in my opinion to go first, any advantages? i always use to get ppl to move feet and bags just common courtusy to everyone else, and if they did not tell them they have to pay for the seat they are taking up then see them move.
 

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Yes, it's obviously more comfortable in first class. But it's just the fact that the guard couldn't be bothered to enforce the rules, so just told us to sit elsewhere. Despite the fact that we had paid for our tickets, and the people taking up four seats and a table, had not.

There aren't enough guards that actually care about stuff like this.
 
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