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EMR 70min Flex fare

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Interesting - logical for an airport market, albeit more so for inbound travel than outbound. The London - Luton Airport Parkway flow does appear to have a degree of on-rail competition going on between GTR and EMR Connect, with both offering Advance fares at a decent discount off the walk-up / PAYG rates - although I agree that some of those EMR fares look odd compared to the 'rack rates'. Nothing obvious on EMR's on website at present promoting 'Advance Flex' and equally nothing to see when testing their web retail site. One to watch.
 
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Interesting - logical for an airport market, albeit more so for inbound travel than outbound. The London - Luton Airport Parkway flow does appear to have a degree of on-rail competition going on between GTR and EMR Connect, with both offering Advance fares at a decent discount off the walk-up / PAYG rates - although I agree that some of those EMR fares look odd compared to the 'rack rates'. Nothing obvious on EMR's on website at present promoting 'Advance Flex' and equally nothing to see when testing their web retail site. One to watch.
It is totally illogical on a route with a turn-up and go service where contactless is available.

In any caase 70 minutes leeway isn't sufficient for an airport, it shoudl be more like three hours.
 
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It is totally illogical on a route with a turn-up and go service where contactless is available.

In any caase 70 minutes leeway isn't sufficient for an airport, it shoudl be more like three hours.
I agree that 70 minutes flexibility is not particularly attractive when connecting out of an inbound flight (and hence one to watch), however given that National Express offer fares from around £6 on this journey, Advance fares (of any type) allow the railway to segment the market and compete on price - a £12.30 contactless fare from Luton Airport Parkway is not necessarily an attractive proposition when NX will take you from the front of the airport directly to multiple Zone 1 destinations with fares starting at roughly 50% of the contactless rail fare alone. Horses for courses - some travellers will want a fast journey time and prefer rail to deliver that irrespective of the price, others want the convenience of a direct coach to avoid any interchange between the airport and their Zone 1 destination, and some are more price sensitive and will pick whichever operator offers the most attractive fare balanced against their needs.
 

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I agree that 70 minutes flexibility is not particularly attractive when connecting out of an inbound flight (and hence one to watch), however given that National Express offer fares from around £6 on this journey, Advance fares (of any type) allow the railway to segment the market and compete on price - a £12.30 contactless fare from Luton Airport Parkway is not necessarily an attractive proposition when NX will take you from the front of the airport directly to multiple Zone 1 destinations with fares starting at roughly 50% of the contactless rail fare alone. Horses for courses - some travellers will want a fast journey time and prefer rail to deliver that irrespective of the price, others want the convenience of a direct coach to avoid any interchange between the airport and their Zone 1 destination, and some are more price sensitive and will pick whichever operator offers the most attractive fare balanced against their needs.
Then we will have to agree to disagree.

People want simpler rail fares. There is always going to be complexity associated with a network the size of Britain’s but introducing fares like this, on a route where there are eight trains an hour (more at other times), operated by two trains an hour companies, when the ticket is for a booked train only (albeit with some flex) but only valid in the operator running 2 out of the eight services each hour is adding unnecessary complexity.

People travelling to or from an airport just want to turn up and go. Just look at the threads we get about Stansted Airport - they’re crying out for the simplicity of contactless.
 

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Then we will have to agree to disagree.

People want simpler rail fares. There is always going to be complexity associated with a network the size of Britain’s but introducing fares like this, on a route where there are eight trains an hour (more at other times), operated by two trains an hour companies, when the ticket is for a booked train only (albeit with some flex) but only valid in the operator running 2 out of the eight services each hour is adding unnecessary complexity.

People travelling to or from an airport just want to turn up and go. Just look at the threads we get about Stansted Airport - they’re crying out for the simplicity of contactless.
Completely agree. Complex fares, outside of the pay as you go system run by the city the name of which they use mixed with over the top and inflexible gate staff and users who make very reasonable errors because it is not a regular flow for them makes for an extremely stressful and unwelcoming environment, unnecessarily so.

Another issue on the Luton is that the Dart is un-gated at the Airport end, gated at Parkway, beautifully entrapping people into arriving at the gate without a ticket. Many very reasonably think it is just an airport people mover not a commercial train service.

Then you have the lack of clarity on being able get a through ticket including the Dart.

It all just feels like Ryanair on rails.
 
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