Employee Privileges

[bramling]

That’s a good point. Could you get into hot water with your own TOC’s management if you were caught bunking the fare to get to work on another operator’s services (not that I’d ever do such a thing )?

I suspect the answer is yes if it involved any kind of staff travel pass issues by the employing TOC, including PRIV.

As ever much depends on being pulled up in the first place, however there are certainly people who delight in this, especially where there’s grievance about who gets what (e.g. why should I let you travel for free on my TOC when I can’t on your DOO/gated TOC?, or I once got denied a free ride so why should I turn a blind eye to anyone?).

 

[43066]

I suspect the answer is yes if it involved any kind of staff travel pass issues by the employing TOC, including PRIV.

As ever much depends on being pulled up in the first place, however there are certainly people who delight in this, especially where there’s grievance about who gets what (e.g. why should I let you travel for free on my TOC when I can’t on your DOO/gated TOC?, or I once got denied a free ride so why should I turn a blind eye to anyone?).

I suspect the answer is yes if it involved any kind of staff travel pass issues by the employing TOC, including PRIV.

As ever much depends on being pulled up in the first place, however there are certainly people who delight in this, especially where there’s grievance about who gets what (e.g. why should I let you travel for free on my TOC when I can’t on your DOO/gated TOC?, or I once got denied a free ride so why should I turn a blind eye to anyone?).

Strictly speaking priv tickets are issued centrally by the Rail Delivery Group, rather than by the TOCs themselves, but yes, I take the point.

You’re also quite right in another respect: there’s no jobsworth like a railway jobsworth!

 

[bramling]

Strictly speaking priv tickets are issued centrally by the Rail Delivery Group, rather than by the TOCs themselves, but yes, I take the point.

You’re also quite right in another respect: there’s no jobsworth like a railway jobsworth!

I think such people are very much the minority. Personally being of a more risk-averse character I won’t seek out liberties but equally I will take a free journey if offered (which of course outside the London area is very common).

However equally I know plenty of people who tear the pants out of staff travel and don’t seem to have issues. I can think of a couple of people who have bought daily tickets for whole careers with no issue, although I’d add a rider that they don’t tend to have a set travel routine (eg a pattern of same train every day every week) where I think eventually something would get said.

 

[RJ]

There is so much misinformation in this thread - clearly Priv entitlements are not well understood!

• Priv discounts on Off Peak ticket types have been available since 2014.

• Priv is valid on the Underground if the ticket includes a Cross London transfer. This information is shown on the back of the Priv card.

• Walk up Priv tickets are not valid for residential travel, i.e. commuting to and from work. If a manager or ticket inspector doesn't like you they can enforce the rules on this. Buy a Priv season ticket instead.

 

[Stigy]

There is so much misinformation in this thread - clearly Priv entitlements are not well understood!

In what way? It seems generally accurate....unless you have some specifics to share to enlighten us?

Edit: I see you’ve edited your post. To be honest though, you’ve not said anything that hasn’t accurately been addressed already in this thread.

 

[RJ]

In what way? It seems generally accurate....unless you have some specifics to share to enlighten us?

Edit: I see you’ve edited your post. To be honest though, you’ve not said anything that hasn’t accurately been addressed already in this thread.

Your observation is correct. It may make sense to you being familiar with the rules already, but for a newcomer, being presented with conflicting information can be confusing.

 

[Ingo]

Yes. Quite a few have been shown the door for such things, others have had their travel facilities revoked also. A few have even faced prosecution.

If you end up being prosecuted for this and sent to jail would your TOC wait for you to get out before starting the disciplinary process or would they conduct the hearing in your absence?

 

[Stigy]

If you end up being prosecuted for this and sent to jail would your TOC wait for you to get out before starting the disciplinary process or would they conduct the hearing in your absence?

I’m not sure whether you’re actually being serious, or just one of ‘those’ members we have join here, but I’ll answer anyway ;

You wouldn’t be sent to jail for it. Unless it’s serious fraud, the legislation you would be prosecuted under (if at all) would be the Regulation of Railways Act 1889 which dictates that prison is only applicable on subsequent offences of the same nature (you’d have to be a serial fare evader). Chances are, you’d be dismissed and that would be seen as a disposal as it’s not in anyone’s interest to peruse a criminal charge.

To put it in to perspective, in 14 years on the railway, 90% of it in an enforcement role, nobody I’ve reported for summons has been sent to prison (and there’s been a lot).

 

[Ingo]

You wouldn’t be sent to jail for it. Unless it’s serious fraud, the legislation you would be prosecuted under (if at all) would be the Regulation of Railways Act 1889 which dictates that prison is only applicable on subsequent offences of the same nature (you’d have to be a serial fare evader). Chances are, you’d be dismissed and that would be seen as a disposal as it’s not in anyone’s interest to peruse a criminal charge.

To put it in to perspective, in 14 years on the railway, 90% of it in an enforcement role, nobody I’ve reported for summons has been sent to prison (and there’s been a lot).

Interesting.

I should have been more clearer, forgive me.
If you get sent to jail for something else, say such as terrorism or benefits fraud at the same time as the fare evasion prosecution would your TOC be likely to wait for you to get out first or just run the disciplinary hearing in your absence, as you would be unable to attend as your in Strangeways?

 

[ComUtoR]

If you get sent to jail for something else, say such as terrorism or benefits fraud at the same time as the fare evasion prosecution would your TOC be likely to wait for you to get out first or just run the disciplinary hearing in your absence, as you would be unable to attend as your in Strangeways?

Two VERY serious occurances at my TOC. Both employees were dismissed in their absence.

 

[Stigy]

Interesting.

I should have been more clearer, forgive me.
If you get sent to jail for something else, say such as terrorism or benefits fraud at the same time as the fare evasion prosecution would your TOC be likely to wait for you to get out first or just run the disciplinary hearing in your absence, as you would be unable to attend as your in Strangeways?

In your absence usually. If you go to prison, your employer will rarely keep you on the books.

 

[LOM]

A few years ago 1 of my employees was arrested for a serious offence and remanded. We found out because it was in the newspaper. He was shown as AWOL on the roster and after a couple of weeks of that HR sent him a letter to his home address saying if he did not show up for a meeting on such and such a date he would be summarily dismissed for gross misconduct on grounds of being absent from work without leave (nothing to do with the alleged offence) . As he was still in prison at the time obviously he could not attend the meeting and so that was the end of that. It all took about a month from beginning to end.

He was found guilty at court and is still inside anyway.

 

[Ingo]

Two VERY serious occurances at my TOC. Both employees were dismissed in their absence.

Might one of those two VERY serious occurrences have occurred at Purley-Wurley and the other at Selhurst?!?!

 

[ComUtoR]

Might one of those two VERY serious occurrences have occurred at Purley-Wurley and the other at Selhurst?!?!

Both made national news. Neither at the locations you mention. One got 17yrs and the other got 16 months.

 

[Seehof]

There is a well known TTI in the North East area who, if he catches you using a priv ticket at the same time on consecutive days, will retain it for formal investigation.