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Electrifying Bristol's suburban rail

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That horrible multi storey car park is no more - though what’s left is still an eyesore.
The current car park is on track to be replaced by a two story underground car park, with work starting at the end of this year or start of next. It will replaced by new shops and offices, which before anyone jumps on it will be subject to the same planning regulations as OHLE would be.

This middle stage we currently have is ugly as it is very temporary, and meant to make the most of the available space as the car park it is replacing, and being replaced by, is much larger.
 
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It's a pity that GWR did not retain the 319s for some lines in the area, such as Bristol to Severn Beach or Weymouth.
 

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It's a bigger pity (IMHO) that the LSWR didn't make it to Bristol in the 1880s as planned, and maybe juice rail later on...
Though BR(W) would probably have treated that line the same way as they did the ex-LSWR one to Exeter,....
 

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That horrible multi storey car park is no more - though what’s left is still an eyesore.

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Four days in the school holidays is hardly time for travel patterns to get established…
Indeed, I imagine it will pick up in popularity
 

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I can tell that I meant to suggest 769s rather than 319s. Little point wiring such lines really.
If the planned 769s had worked, then we may have seen consideration to getting more of them. Although personally I think GWR would have been better off looking at getting a Bi-Mode option from the Hitachi AT200 family rather than trying to bodge old stock. FLIRTS would have been another option, but given the IETs are Hitachi AT300 family, getting a bi-mode version of the 385 would probably be better for fleet/maintenance optimisation and support.
 

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I can tell that I meant to suggest 769s rather than 319s. Little point wiring such lines really.
I would suggest that, tunnels and bridges notwithstanding, the Severn Beach line would be a very good line to wire up, at least as far as Avonmouth.

The demand could probably support as frequent a service as you could plausibly provide, and with such frequent stopping and starting through a well populated urban area, it would seem to me a great candidate for redoubling and wiring as far as possible, with batteries removing the need to wire difficult structures as is being done on the south Wales valleys.

Weymouth on the other hand is going to be quite far down any list.
 

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FLIRTS would have been another option, but given the IETs are Hitachi AT300 family, getting a bi-mode version of the 385 would probably be better for fleet/maintenance optimisation and support.
Flirts might actually be a better option. Hitachi is going to be busy with the HS2 contract, and the maintenance makes very little difference. GWR's DMU fleet is maintained at separate depots, and regardless the Class 80X maintenance for GWR is pretty much a disaster. Hitachi can't even keep up with and acquire parts for the units there are, let alone new units. There certainly hasn't been value for money found in the hideously expensive maintenance contract for the IETs, and I highly doubt money would be wasted on another.

FLIRTS would come form a company who need orders on their books, so might be more flexible on price, and that has less on its plate o could deliver them quicker.
 

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Weymouth on the other hand is going to be quite far down any list.
Need to sort out the Maiden Newton mess first to enable 1tph operation. But yes I don't think anything electric will be stopping at Chetnole anytime soon. In fact I don't think Yeovil to Weymouth would ever get static electrification infrastructure. It's the sort of thing where I could see batteries being put to good use, if more of the north of Yeovil route was electrified at some point.
 

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Need to sort out the Maiden Newton mess first to enable 1tph operation. But yes I don't think anything electric will be stopping at Chetnole anytime soon. In fact I don't think Yeovil to Weymouth would ever get static electrification infrastructure. It's the sort of thing where I could see batteries being put to good use, if more of the north of Yeovil route was electrified at some point.
Batteries all the way from Castle Cary to Dorchester Junction would be my bet. Can see Yeovil having semaphores for many decades yet.
 

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but given the IETs are Hitachi AT300 family, getting a bi-mode version of the 385 would probably be better for fleet/maintenance optimisation and support.
It is astonishing how anyone would think that giving more work to Hitachi is a good idea. Given their shocking performance on the IET contract, why would you give more work to a failing supplier?
 

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It is astonishing how anyone would think that giving more work to Hitachi is a good idea. Given their shocking performance on the IET contract, why would you give more work to a failing supplier?
Does rather feel like the situation SWR were in 2000-2001 with 458s from Alstom, and went to Siemens instead for 450 & 444

I would think the Siemens Desiro Verve (the updated version of 385 used in Scotland), could also be a way forward.
 

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Perhaps just forward thinking

Took the train out to Severn Beach and back and only saw one person get on/off each time and the new car park was empty. Wonder if the station is more popular at commuting times?
I went on the line and the car park was empty only 2 people got off. As you leave the station I noticed that all the other car parks were quite busy.
 

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I went on the line and the car park was empty only 2 people got off. As you leave the station I noticed that all the other car parks were quite busy.

It's not a particularly easy place to drive to located off A4 Portway (that is the name of the road). Can either approach it on A4 from Bristol (but why anyone would when they could just park for free at somewhere like Sea Mills and be nearer)

The alternative is to take a spur off M5 junction 18 (or end of M49) then navigate a busy roundabout where A4, B4054 (both dual carriageways) meet this spur, then go through number of traffic lights to Park and Ride.

If driving from the north likely to use M32 or a park and ride that side. If coming from SW then probably going to use M5 junction 19 and established Ashton Gate Park and Ride

Why would anyone pick Portway P&R with its sparce half hourly service when other P&Rs have connections every few minutes.

Unless your destination is Bristol Temple Mills, not a particularly easy way to get to Bristol City centre either which is fair distance from TM across a river.
 

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It's not a particularly easy place to drive to located off A4 Portway (that is the name of the road). Can either approach it on A4 from Bristol (but why anyone would when they could just park for free at somewhere like Sea Mills and be nearer)
The alternative is to take a spur off M5 junction 18 (or end of M49) then navigate a busy roundabout where A4, B4054 (both dual carriageways) meet this spur, then go through number of traffic lights to Park and Ride.

If driving from the north likely to use M32 or a park and ride that side. If coming from SW then probably going to use M5 junction 19 and established Ashton Gate Park and Ride

Why would anyone pick Portway P&R with its sparce half hourly service when other P&Rs have connections every few minutes.

Unless your destination is Bristol Temple Mills, not a particularly easy way to get to Bristol City centre either which is fair distance from TM across a river.
I have family who recently visited Bristol from across the Severn and they took the bus from Portway as it’s more frequent and the drop off points are more convenient than Temple Meads.

I also have colleagues who have been using the P&R to get to work. Will be interested to see if they switch to the train as our office is close to Temple Meads.

I was going to compare the price of a bus ticket to rail ticket but Portway doesn’t appear yet on the National Rail app
 

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I also have colleagues who have been using the P&R to get to work. Will be interested to see if they switch to the train as our office is close to Temple Meads.

I was going to compare the price of a bus ticket to rail ticket but Portway doesn’t appear yet on the National Rail app
At moment it is £3 return from Portway P&R on train, and can use the GWR smart card (but I doubt if you can get it at PRI station)

First bus generally charges £2 single in Bristol, £1.70 for students, or £3.60 return. But can get smarcard with various numbers of days in periods upto about month
 
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