Elections 2009

[CCF23]

What, like the racist ones?

No that is a completely unfair statement to make. Maybe the racist and far-right political views are the ones i feel they go to far on. I agree with their views on leaving the EU and keeping the Pound Sterling as our currency instead of the Euro also think that British citizens should be prioritized when it comes too work and housing. Also I'm not so keen on the idea of Britain becoming an Islamic state when I'm older.
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Also when you quoted my post why did you fail to quote when i stated about me thinking they (the BNP) go to far about their views ? I'm not trying to cause an argument just wondering why you without knowing me are deeming me as a racist.

 

[Mojo]

Do you seriously believe this country would EVER become an Islamic State? I wonder how many people also believe those made up stories about how "bah bah black sheep" was banned in a nursery (except it wasn't) and about how one council tried to rename Christmas as "Winterval" (except it didn't). I do think perhaps the other parties should do more, such as stopping money being spent on retrofitting council houses to have toilets facing away from Mecca.

I saw a video with Nick Griffin earlier who was claiming to represent "normal British people" and went on to bemoan the fact that we are now importing cheap washing machines made in the far east and cars built elsewhere in the world and how we should all start doing it in this country again. I believe that the reason that we are buying cheap washing machines from goodness knows where is because the "normal British people" (whoever they might be) want cheaper products and are buying cars from Japan because they want a more reliable and technologically advanced model. You can't have the British jobs unless you are prepared to buy things produced in Britain, people won't buy things produced in Britain unless they are cheaper or of better quality, and people won't work in Britain for a lower wage than they feel they deserve to get. You can't have it both ways!

 

[CCF23]

OK fair enough although i did say i support and would vote conservative not BNP.

 

[richa2002]

It's the current establishment's fault that the extremist BNP have risen due to them being so damn awful. It's also their fault for pandering to 'ethnic minorities', we've now all been conditioned not to criticise Islam as to criticise it would most definitely be racist! :roll:. I think everyone should just grow up a bit and accept that in a country of free speech people are going to criticise other people/religions/ideas, it just seems that if anyone decides to criticise Islam, it is instantly condemned as thoroughly out of order. No, it's called an opinion and as long as no violent act is committed as a result of having that opinion or suggested in the opinion, then there should be no problem. Athiests such as Richard Dawkins are quite rightly allowed to have a strong view against Christianity and Christians who would obviously not be happy with it, appear to just accept that it's the way of the world that there will always be someone who disagrees with you. I think that by-on-large too, it's the same with everyone but it would seem there is a disproportionate amount of members of the Muslim community or at least representatives of them who go absolutely up in arms if their is public criticism made which to be honest, happens very rarely now due to the fear surrounding it.

What I'm saying is that a large proportion of people feel as though they can't have an opinion to do with immingration out of fear of being racist when most of the time it isn't. This is what leads to extremist parties doing well when the three main parties appear to ignore what a sizeable group of people are saying. It is quite reasonable to want to curtail immigration or just allow people in on work permit basis but people with this view are usually shouted down by left wingers who somehow make it out to be racist. It's not about race. It's about an already overcrowded country not being able to take more people!

Unfortunately the BNP take it too far and do make it a race issue but seeing as they're the closest thing to anyone who wants curbed immigration, people don't seem to have much of a choice! I'm not defending anyone who votes for BNP as that's a very silly and naive thing to do but I'm just saying that the politicians who tell us not to vote for them should look closer to home and actually look to represent these people's views in a moderate and sensible way. Unfortunately this is not being done at the moment.

Massive rant over .

 

[KendalKing]

Do you seriously believe this country would EVER become an Islamic State?

Unfortunately, i do.

Espically, as they are allowed to Islamic only schools (as there are in Lancashire), yet we are not allowed to have English / Christian only schools.
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I wonder how many people also believe those made up stories about how "bah bah black sheep" was banned in a nursery (except it wasn't)

It's banned in nursery schools in Lancashire!

 

[Tom B]

Espically, as they are allowed to Islamic only schools (as there are in Lancashire), yet we are not allowed to have English / Christian only schools.

Wrong - there are plenty of Christian based faith schools.

IMO, no form of religion should be integrated into the educational system - but there we go.

 

[devon_metro]

Richard, agreed ENTIRELY. This country is a state and it seems that the majority is not listened to whilst the government panders at everybody else.

 

[Mojo]

It's banned in nursery schools in Lancashire!

Do you have any proof of that? If you are referring to this article, then that is the one that was made up - the reality is that children were being encouraged to use other describing words to enhance their vocabulary.

And also, why equate English with Christianity, they are two different things - one is a religion and the other is, disputably, a nationality.

Also, there are 4,700 CofE schools, and 2,104 Roman Catholic schools in the country and almost 28% of primary school students are in a CofE or Roman Catholic primary school. Funny given that they are apparently banned.

 

[me123]

Wrong - there are plenty of Christian based faith schools.

I went to one, and I can vouch that they do exist!

Let's face it, the BNP has some good policies. A full clampdown on illegal immigration will win everyone over. However, every other party will claim the same thing, and by its very nature it cannot be 100% successful. The BNP is undeniably a racist party. No matter how much they dress up the fact, they share a common ideology with Hitler in the 1930s. Let's remember that they do not stand for "British People", they stand for "White British People". They disregard people like Dame Kelly Holmes and Amir Khan simply because they are not white or, to quote Nick Griffin:

"Just because a dog is brought up in a stable doesn't make him a horse".

Despite whatever they say, they are not British and I have a problem with them. No other party angers me in this way; I disagree with plenty of political views (including SSP and UKIP) but none of them anger me in the same way or to the same extent as these people do. They have the cheek to demand free speech despite the fact that they would quite probably remove that from people if elected based solely on their ethnicity.

I'd much rather have Brown's government than a single BNP seat in the House of Commons.

However, I would like to make it clear that whilst I abhor the BNP, I do feel that most of the supporters are rather misguided. As I have said, there are plenty of their policies which attract people and are, admittedly, good policies. However, I fear these do mask a deep racial hatred that I do not believe that most of the public are knowingly voting for.

 

[thefab444]

I agree with their views on leaving the EU and keeping the Pound Sterling as our currency instead of the Euro

Unfortunately, your views are replicated by, in my experience, many in our age group.

This country is so backward thinking - even within our prejudices, I mean Germany is still extremely unpopular despite the fact we could learn a good deal from them. It seems we have no hope in the future generation either. This country is full of half measures, inane gibber over "Keeping Britain Great" - yet it hasn't been 'great' for at least 70 year, and pensioners constantly moaning - oh but they fought in the war you know. They say we'll be paying for this recession for decades... best time to leave then.

Right, had my rant now. Now expecting a Tory landslide tonight/tommorow.

 

[Mintona]

What, like the racist ones?

Harsh Mojo. He said we was 14. He will formulate other opinions in the future when he is >18. When I was 14 I felt much the same, now I have matured a bit (a very tiny bit :P) and they no longer seem like a good option.

But yeah, here's hoping for a Tory landslide.

 

[KendalKing]

Do you have any proof of that? If you are referring to this article, then that is the one that was made up - the reality is that children were being encouraged to use other describing words to enhance their vocabulary.

When my daughter use to go to nursery school, I once recieved a letter saying that she was raciest for sing Baa Baa black sheep, and that it was upsetting the black children in the school.

 

[Geezertronic]

You don't find Golliwogs in Noddy anymore either. In fact wasn't one of the Royal shops advised not to sell the Golliwog dolls as they were deamed racist?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7871193.stm

And Carol Thatcher was fired for saying it in a private conversation.

 

[devon_metro]

But yeah, here's hoping for a Tory landslide.

. I turned on the news this morning and it was full of scandal in the Labour party. Why am I never surprised

 

[thefab444]

Perhaps the Labour party should be forced to change its name, as it is misleading voters into thinking they are the party for the poor who will support workers etc. When actually, they are just a slightly less smarmy version of the Tories.

If the traditional Old Labour types voted Lib Dem (who are more representative of their views) instead of Noo Labour, then the Lib Dems might stand a chance against the Tory onslaught.

 

[devon_metro]

Can't see Lib Dem working to be honest. They are very weak and would let anybody into the country. Whilst in some ways I support the EU, there must be limits. Oh, and let us not forget proportional representation. Coalition governments are weak and nothing would ever get decided upon. Also worth pointing out that Hitler came to power due to weak coalition government. Whats to stop the BNP doing the same?

 

[Mojo]

I dunno about LibDems, they just remind me of that stereotypical moody teenager

"I don't like that one, I don't want that one either"
"Well what do you want?"
"I don't know, but I don't like you"

 

[xc170]

Have you noticed how gordon brown (idiot ) has just kept his mouth shut throughout the elections because he knows he's not going to win

 

[me123]

Our by-election result is in. Labour won But it was a close contest with SNP, going down to the last count. Less than a thousand votes in it in the end, and it actually showed that Labour had lost support in this area. However, they still squeezed in.

Rather baffling to be honest; the Labour campaign was frankly pathetic.

 

[Tom B]

Have you noticed how gordon brown (idiot ) has just kept his mouth shut throughout the elections because he knows he's not going to win

What, precisely, is Gordon Brown 'winning'?

 

[Ascot]

Good turn out for the Polling Station I was manning with a high turn out all round in Birmingham from what I heard. Made very interesting by the Lozells By-Election.

 

[KendalKing]

I carried out a survey amongest my staff, to see how they voted in the election.
One did not vote, another one said he did wish to disclose who he voted for, everybody else said they voted for either UKIP or BNP.

I myself voted for UKIP, as i believe that both Labour & Tories can't be trusted.

 

[me123]

One did not vote, another one said he did wish to disclose who he voted for, everybody else said they voted for either UKIP or BNP.

I dislike both parties. But in the North West, what else can you do? Tories are hardly a fantastic choice for the rather less prosperous North, and Labour's screwed the country over.
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Good turn out for the Polling Station I was manning with a high turn out all round in Birmingham from what I heard.

There was a high turnout in my ward because of the council by-election, but I know of no-one outside of Coatbridge North and Glenboig who voted in Europe. Still, I don't think BNP can get a seat up here (thank God).

Oddly enough, the Western Isles won't count votes on a Sunday (don't ask...) so the Scottish Europe results won't be out until Monday...

 

[Ascot]

Oddly enough, the Western Isles don't count votes on a Sunday (don't ask...) so the Scottish Europe results won't be out until Monday...

Can't get the staff in?

 

[me123]

They're mostly sabbatarians, and as such refuse to count votes on a Sunday. There are plenty of people who will do it on Monday, however.

 

[Pumbaa]

Our by-election result is in. Labour won But it was a close contest with SNP, going down to the last count. Less than a thousand votes in it in the end, and it actually showed that Labour had lost support in this area. However, they still squeezed in.

Rather baffling to be honest; the Labour campaign was frankly pathetic.

It's not baffling at all. Low turn out from the expenses scandal, so the only people who really vote are those "in touch" with politics, and an interest in the direction of the country. You're hardly going to vote Tory (as you've said yourself) and Labour would edge it over SNP (as they did last year in the by-elections up in Scotland) because at the end of the day, having a Labour seat is more effective in the current situation than having an SNP.

 

[Metroland]

The SNP are known at the Tartan Tories, maybe with the financial collapse voters expect something more left wing. (Not that New Labour is left wing)

It seems to me, most don't know who to vote for. I also get the impression some people want things they can't have such as cheap goods made here (we hear British jobs for British people, but are people really going to pay extra?) and a very restricted immigration, just for example. I don't think that's realistic considering cheap air travel, the internet and so on.

 

[Ascot]

Results time then. Already punch up at Manchester.

 

[me123]

BNP have one seat at time of writing and are predicted another one by the BBC (probably in the North West).
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It's not baffling at all. Low turn out from the expenses scandal, so the only people who really vote are those "in touch" with politics, and an interest in the direction of the country. You're hardly going to vote Tory (as you've said yourself) and Labour would edge it over SNP (as they did last year in the by-elections up in Scotland) because at the end of the day, having a Labour seat is more effective in the current situation than having an SNP.

Labour have been disappointing in North Lanarkshire, and the guys campaign was nothing short of pathetic. Overall, it will be a loss for our local area; all nationalism set aside, the last SNP councillor was pretty good and I knew the new candidate would do a very good job as well.

There was actually a large turnout in our ward because of the by-election. It's not really a case of Labour voters staying at home; there is a large swing towards SNP throughout Scotland with a majority of <100 for Labour in one of their biggest areas.

Throughout Scotland, there seems to be a swing towards SNP, but again it won't affect seats; another 2 SNP and 2 Labour going back.

 

[Pumbaa]

The SNP are known at the Tartan Tories, maybe with the financial collapse voters expect something more left wing. (Not that New Labour is left wing)

It seems to me, most don't know who to vote for. I also get the impression some people want things they can't have such as cheap goods made here (we hear British jobs for British people, but are people really going to pay extra?) and a very restricted immigration, just for example. I don't think that's realistic considering cheap air travel, the internet and so on.

That one always amuses me! The people who say this (and my family is the same, it drives me nuts whenever I see them) generally have no idea that the productivity of British workers is crap, and as such are completely unable to understand why this renders us so uncompetitive. And yes, pointing out that if you want it to be kept British, expect huge increases in price level and following that a lower overall disposable income, carry on.

It does frustrate me sometimes how other people can't see basic economics. It's no different to basic language, maths, history, geography, etymology etc that most people seem to be able to do!