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OMGitsDAVE

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The ECML is having trains delayed between 40 & 70 minutes due to a person being hit by a train - this happened in the Stevenage area.

From the National Rail Website:
Because of a person having been hit by a train in the Stevenage area, journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes.

National Express East Coast passengers may travel on Cross Country services between Doncaster and Edinburgh.

First Capital Connect passengers may travel on National Express East Coast services.

To find out how this might affect your journey, please use the real time Journey Planner, or call TrainTracker on 0871 200 49 50.
 
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Is it just me, or a NXEC really unlucky. I go on their website quite frequentley, and there is always dealys, often because of signal failure, person hit by a train etc
 

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From what us staff have been told unofficially, 2 males were pushing each other around in high spirits and one fell in front of the NXEC although reports at the time said this person had jumped in front of it.

Either way, it lead to some major disruption with cancellations and late running the norm - no diversions took place though.
 

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From what us staff have been told unofficially, 2 males were pushing each other around in high spirits and one fell in front of the NXEC although reports at the time said this person had jumped in front of it.

Either way, it lead to some major disruption with cancellations and late running the norm - no diversions took place though.

From what I heard the person actually jumped in front of the train,1A12.Saw the set arrive at Kx whilst waiting for my set,front end rather smashed in and a smattering of blood next to headlights,not a pretty sight I can tell you !!! :(
 

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Is it just me or has there been a severe increase in rail-based suicides recently?
 

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What can really be done about it though? Install suicide hotline phones at every station and bridge?
 

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Better awareness of psychiatric problems, in particular to remove the stigma associated with mental ill health, and better provision of psychiatric care. But this all comes at a cost to the NHS, or the patient in the private sector, and cannot be 100% effective given the very nature of psychiatric illnesses.

On the railways, most stations now seem to have help points allowing you to call a controller somewhere. Eg, the SPT area ones go through to Paisley IIRC, so when you allow for prank calls and so on suicide phones would be a waste of money. There's not a lot you can do on the railway side of things. As I've said before, anyone who deliberately jumps in front of a train is clearly in great distress and will not be thinking clearly, so asking them to stop is unlikely to be of any use whatsoever.
 

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I think people see it as a quick and easy way out of their problems, especially during these tight economic times. They don't tend to think about the consequences of their actions, especially to the poor train driver, the people who have to clear up "the mess", or even their own family. Quite selfish really.

It's happened on the WCML a few times as well, I remember a couple of incidents just north of Birmingham International.
 

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It certainly seems to be increasing on the ECML, is it on the rise elsewhere as well?
 

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Not really. We've had some pretty intensive spates of suicides, but things have been quiet recently. One of our blokes mowed someone down on Brimsdown crossing last week, but that's the first one we've had for ages.

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I think people see it as a quick and easy way out of their problems, especially during these tight economic times. They don't tend to think about the consequences of their actions, especially to the poor train driver, the people who have to clear up "the mess", or even their own family. Quite selfish really.

As I've already said, people who're going to kill themselves in such a spectacular fashion rarely plan it like this. They are clearly in need of psychiatric help for the most part, and they've either not had the help they need or the help has not proven worthwhile. Sadly, this is often the case with mental illness by the very nature of it.

People who plan to commit suicide (and I've heard of a few) usually go for more sensible approaches like ODs, poison and hanging. It may be selfish, but again the people really are severely depressed and cannot/will not seek help. As I've already mentioned, this is the case of mental ill health.

Most people who jump in front of trains for the purpose of suicide have, in my lay opinion, probably not been planning this for some time. Probably people who have suffered a major emotional upset, such as just losing their job or a loved one, going through severe financial stress (bankruptcies and so forth), divorce proceedings...

Let's be fair here; if someone jumps in front of a train with the intent of killing themselves, it is pretty fair to assume that they're not of sound mind. As I've said above, people who plan their own deaths will generally do so with more dignity than this, and causing minimal distress to those around them. Someone who's felt the need to jump in front of a moving passenger train has probably not planned the event more than a few hours in advance, is probably reeling from emotional trauma and is quite certainly not of sound mind to think about what's happening.

I find this constantly on railway forums. The jumper is assumed to be selfish and doesn't care about the driver and the subsequent disruption. However, look at their mental state. You and I would not be jumping in front of moving passenger trains; it's a crazy thought. They are not in a fit mental state to judge all the things we're talking about here when they do this. How can you expect someone who's obviously frustrated enough to do this act, which is clearly a rash act, and still think about the consequences of their actions once they intend to be dead.

I'm not saying it's not a traumatising experience for drivers. I cannot begin to imagine what it's like to be in their position. It must be horrendous. But I also cannot imagine what it's like to be depressed to the point that you feel you can no longer continue with your life. I would urge you to bear in mind that the people jumping in front of the trains have had problems, and will have problems at the time of the act, that we as mere onlookers cannot even begin to comprehend.
 

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I find this constantly on railway forums. The jumper is assumed to be selfish and doesn't care about the driver and the subsequent disruption. However, look at their mental state. You and I would not be jumping in front of moving passenger trains; it's a crazy thought. They are not in a fit mental state to judge all the things we're talking about here when they do this. How can you expect someone who's obviously frustrated enough to do this act, which is clearly a rash act, and still think about the consequences of their actions once they intend to be dead.

I'm not saying it's not a traumatising experience for drivers. I cannot begin to imagine what it's like to be in their position. It must be horrendous. But I also cannot imagine what it's like to be depressed to the point that you feel you can no longer continue with your life. I would urge you to bear in mind that the people jumping in front of the trains have had problems, and will have problems at the time of the act, that we as mere onlookers cannot even begin to comprehend.

Just what I've been saying ever since I ran just such a person over way back when I was a new driver. Thanks for backing up my own conclusions.

There's no point being angry at the person or judging their actions by our rational thought processes, as these people are operating outside of these parameters. All you can do is feel pity for them and for those they leave behind.

O L Leigh
 

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I have seen someone nearly hit at brimsdown, but that was because they jumped the barriers. There is a subway why would you do something so stupid when there is another route which only takes 20 seconds more.
 

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I find this constantly on railway forums. The jumper is assumed to be selfish and doesn't care about the driver and the subsequent disruption. However, look at their mental state. You and I would not be jumping in front of moving passenger trains; it's a crazy thought. They are not in a fit mental state to judge all the things we're talking about here when they do this. How can you expect someone who's obviously frustrated enough to do this act, which is clearly a rash act, and still think about the consequences of their actions once they intend to be dead.

I'm not saying it's not a traumatising experience for drivers. I cannot begin to imagine what it's like to be in their position. It must be horrendous. But I also cannot imagine what it's like to be depressed to the point that you feel you can no longer continue with your life. I would urge you to bear in mind that the people jumping in front of the trains have had problems, and will have problems at the time of the act, that we as mere onlookers cannot even begin to comprehend.

I've gotta admit... I know what your talking about... Theres been times for me personally, back a few years ago, when I was at Stevenage, bout to do the same thing... And, your mind just goes blank. Your oblivious to anything around you - you just want a way out... And obviously, many people think (and are right) that jumping in front of an HST is the way to do it...

People always assumed I was selfish afterwards - what about the driver etc??
But like you've both said... When someones in that position, they just want it all over =/
 

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I believe there was one at Gatley last night. I was told it was a train failure but that's not what the computer would have me believe.
 

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Another two problems,
A Vehicle has struck a bridge at STEVENAGE (of all places), and Line problems between Berwick and Edinburgh due to signalling.

Delays of up to 30 minutes each.
 

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As of now on, you will no longer hear the announcement of trains being delayed due to a fatality at (insert location here) on FCC stations or services but instead will hear announcements explaining that the services are being delayed due to a person hit by a train.

The reason behind this had been explained to us by our MD and other TOCs/NR will be following suit.

On the surface it may not seem that the words we use make a difference, but research proves otherwise; the Australian rail industry looked into this in great depth and found that reporting suicides as fatalities reinforced the suggestion that a train is a very effective way to end a life and to some extent glamorised the method. To address this, the Australian rail industry and media agreed to stop using the word ‘fatality’ and instead use the words ‘person hit by a train’. In the first year of using the new terminology a staggering 80% reduction in railway-related suicides was reported.

The introduction of additional line-side fencing and the gating of stations has helped to reduce the number of suicides on our network, but FCC still has one of the highest ratios of suicides to stations across the UK rail network. These incidents are not only deeply emotionally distressing for staff and customers, but on a practical level, they cause service disruption and performance failures.


Now at Stevenage on that day, some passenger who had their train cancelled went up to the booking office and was demanding compo never mind the fact that some poor sod had just lost their life!

Luckily I've yet to have any at my station although I've seen some idiots trespass on the line.

Example 1:

Some idiot kicked their football onto the line just south of the station where the footbridge is so they ran across the Up line, stood in the middle of both the Up and Down line to pick up their football and ran across the Down line to leave the railway lines.

Example 2:

Had some kids dangling their legs over the edge of the Up platform and running across the lines to the Down Platform, so ran onto the platform and shouted at them to get back onto the platform and stay there.

Now imagine if I had a train going though non stop such as a freight or a NXEC on a test run at the time, it doesn't even bear thinking of.
 

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I know about mental health problems,but dont they even have feelings for the driver,who may get so depressed hitting the person he may take he's own life or may be emotionally or mentally unstable for some time,as I have said before I have no sympaphy what-so-ever for these people unless they could not help It at all E.G pushed etc.... and I think there selfish and waste the time of the emergency services who could be doing somthing better like saving a child from a fire Instead of clearing the blood and guts of a selfish man or woman.

And If they planned It a couple of hours before didnt they take Into account the destress It puts on the driver,or didnt they think to just take an overdose (which sounds nasty) and the driver can continue his job without destress.
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Sorry, but do firemen clean the body parts off the line?
 
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