ECML incident between Morpeth & Newcastle (07/04)

[woolleywoods]

Hi has anybody got any idea what has happened between Morpeth and Newcastle on the ECML.

Many thanks

Jon

 

[LowLevel]

A person struck by a train overnight, significant delay in reopening the line awaiting scenes of crime officers who haven't been available until this morning.

 

[ls2270]

Hi has anybody got any idea what has happened between Morpeth and Newcastle on the ECML.

Many thanks

Jon

1S66 the northbound Highland Sleeper was involved in the Cramlington area.

 

[Southern Dvr]

So 1S66 incurred a 2 hour 10 mins delay at Morpeth but continued its journey.

Realtime Trains | 1S66 2145 London Kings Cross to Inverness and Fort William | 07/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1S66 2145 departure from London Kings Cross to Inverness and Fort William on 07/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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As of 0830:
1S72 stands Newcastle, approx 240L
1E39 stands Morpeth, approx 300L

 

[sjm77]

Realtime Trains | 1E39 2045 Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle | 07/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1E39 2045 departure from Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle on 07/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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You could walk from Pegswood to Newcastle quicker. Whilst we have to remember a family will be in mouring today because of the circumstances it should also raise questions as to how quickly we deal with these terrible circumstances as a nation.

 

[800001]

So 1S66 incurred a 2 hour 10 mins delay at Morpeth but continued its journey.

Realtime Trains | 1S66 2145 London Kings Cross to Inverness and Fort William | 07/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1S66 2145 departure from London Kings Cross to Inverness and Fort William on 07/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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As of 0830:
1S72 stands Newcastle, approx 240L
1E39 stands Morpeth, approx 300L

Yes, 1S66 was the culprit train.
1E39 terminate Newcastle, ECS to London, passengers forward on LNER.

 

[Falcon1200]

Whilst we have to remember a family will be in mouring today because of the circumstances it should also raise questions as to how quickly we deal with these terrible circumstances as a nation.

To be fair to the Police, fatalities are normally dealt with far more quickly than this, presumably there were particular circumstances affecting this tragic incident. Having said that, having to wait so long for SOCO to turn out is poor; If unavailable 24/7 do they not have On-Call arrangements?

 

[StewLane]

Saw London sleeper leave Newcastle empty? At about 10:30

 

[glasgowniteowl]

To be fair to the Police, fatalities are normally dealt with far more quickly than this, presumably there were particular circumstances affecting this tragic incident. Having said that, having to wait so long for SOCO to turn out is poor; If unavailable 24/7 do they not have On-Call arrangements?

A lot depends on what the driver reports as seeing, if driver witnesses the event as a suicide(ie they witness the act of jumping in front etc) then it is usually declared as non suspicious fairly quickly quite often no scene of crimes required

but if driver doesn't witness it as a suicide then can take a lot longer to determine ie person already lying on track as train comes round, were they simply drunk lying on track, committing suicide or was foul play involved etc in that sort of situation it is treated as a crime taking place and needs scene of crimes etc until other evidence, cctv etc says otherwise which takes longer

 

[rick pike]

If 1S66 was the culprit why was it allowed to continue and 1E39 terminated?

 

[800001]

Yes, 1S66 was the culprit train.

If 1S66 was the culprit why was it allowed to continue and 1E39 terminated?

Because the police on scene will of gathered what ever information they need from it, taken photos etc.

 

[woolleywoods]

Thank you for clarifying everyone, it was the first train stopped at 03:04 approaching Morpeth it says, this forum always has full information because of the depth of participation from all involved in it.
Full sympathy and thoughts to the person and family that is missing somebody so very badly.

Many thanks.

Jon

 

[FuelledByTea]

To be fair to the Police, fatalities are normally dealt with far more quickly than this, presumably there were particular circumstances affecting this tragic incident. Having said that, having to wait so long for SOCO to turn out is poor; If unavailable 24/7 do they not have On-Call arrangements?

In my experience (in Scotland anyway) SOCO are only usually available during the day and the scene is usually just preserved until daylight hours, also there can be fairly long travel times for them to arrive.

 

[fgwrich]

In my experience (in Scotland anyway) SOCO are only usually available during the day and the scene is usually just preserved until daylight hours, also there can be fairly long travel times for them to arrive.

Indeed. It can also depend on where the SOCOs are based. For example, an incident in London will be easy for BTPs SOCOs to attend and therefore dealt with quicker. Newcastle however is unlikely to have a BTP SOCO nearby, so would likely to have travelled from somewhere like Manchester or Leeds.

 

[12LDA28C]

Realtime Trains | 1E39 2045 Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle | 07/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1E39 2045 departure from Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle on 07/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

You could walk from Pegswood to Newcastle quicker. Whilst we have to remember a family will be in mouring today because of the circumstances it should also raise questions as to how quickly we deal with these terrible circumstances as a nation.

In my experience, a delay of just over two hours to the train involved is quite 'good' and it often takes much longer to get the train moving / reopen the line, especially if the Police detect 'suspicious circumstances' of some kind. It's not just clearing up the aftermath that needs to be considered, the driver would no doubt be relieved of duty and a replacement sought which could prove tricky in the middle of the night.

 

[Surreytraveller]

Realtime Trains | 1E39 2045 Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle | 07/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1E39 2045 departure from Inverness and Fort William to Newcastle on 07/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

You could walk from Pegswood to Newcastle quicker. Whilst we have to remember a family will be in mouring today because of the circumstances it should also raise questions as to how quickly we deal with these terrible circumstances as a nation.

Repairs to the train may need to be effected, body parts may be missing and have to be searched for. The scene has to be declared non-suspicious

 

[CAF397]

If 1S66 was the culprit why was it allowed to continue and 1E39 terminated?

All comes down to driver resourcing too. 1E39 terminated Newcastle nearly 7 hours late. That's why it was cancelled from there.

Maybe a planned driver relief was scuppered by using that driver to relieve the driver on 1S66.

 

[800001]

All comes down to driver resourcing too. 1E39 terminated Newcastle nearly 7 hours late. That's why it was cancelled from there.

Maybe a planned driver relief was scuppered by using that driver to relieve the driver on 1S66.

It was cancelled to get the customers on to an LNER service south, as that was quicker than keeping them on the sleeper.

The set after it terminated at Newcastle continued south as 5M39 to Wembley where it arrived at 1601.

It had pathing stops which were not used, so was better for the customers for the service to be terminated.