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East-West Rail (EWR): Oxford-Bletchley construction progress

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If there is a path every 2 hours then there is one hourly.
Exactly...
I suspect its more to do with appeasing complaints.
Partially agreed or that some would involve diverting other existing services some hours to use all hourly but from what I have seen the EWR teams didn't and still don't understand the bigger freight picture and hence don't understand and anticipate the likely demand.
Clearly freight spending was binned as Newton Longville loop was removed from the scope.
 
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One bit that is being overlooked re freight is when the new temporary construction depot for HS2 becomes available at Claydon, a large amount of spoil and construct material will be taken to/from by rail via EWR to keep the reduction of road traffic commitment. Of course, the southern link via Calvert is not yet re-instated which will pick up some of this when it is. Then reduced to normal traffic to/from the final HS2 maintenance depot. This was spoken about at one of the HS2 information meetings last year. So a large amount of freight traffic is expected during the HS2 construction period at least.
 

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The Western section of EWR (Bicester - Oxford) features sound barrier fencing along the line through residential areas so I assume the same will be installed further East if housing is in close proximity to the line.
and hideous it is too! I would have thought it fun and informative for kids to be able to watch trains go by at Garth Park in Bicester, for instance.

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One bit that is being overlooked re freight is when the new temporary construction depot for HS2 becomes available at Claydon, a large amount of spoil and construct material will be taken to/from by rail via EWR to keep the reduction of road traffic commitment. Of course, the southern link via Calvert is not yet re-instated which will pick up some of this when it is. Then reduced to normal traffic to/from the final HS2 maintenance depot. This was spoken about at one of the HS2 information meetings last year. So a large amount of freight traffic is expected during the HS2 construction period at least.
Perhaps people will 'acclimatise' to it.
 

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EWR2 was descoped so that there is now provision only for 1 freight per 2 hours in either direction. It was going to be 1tph for freight previously which might have meant more loops (ie Newton Longville ) being provided. There is a 775m loop at Bicester already on the Up side which also forms a run-round for access to the MOD site. This is available in either direction and entry/exit speed is 40mph.

There will be a similar layout at Claydon on the down where there will be access to the future HS2 infrastructure maintenance depot although I am not sure what is actually being built there now.

Average passenger speed will be 100mph, but I think what is there already for freight is good.
 

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There is a 775m loop at Bicester already on the Up side which also forms a run-round for access to the MOD site. This is available in either direction and entry/exit speed is 40mph.

There is a goods loop and a run-round loop at Bicester, between Bicester Depot East Junction and Bicester Depot West Junction.
As you say, accessible from either end and both Up and Down Bletchley lines.
 

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In reply to post #1059

"There will be a similar layout at Claydon on the down where there will be access to the future HS2 infrastructure maintenance depot although I am not sure what is actually being built there now."


A page shot from the document on post #411 - Initially, the construction railhead is to be built, followed by the main maintenance depot.

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EWR2 was descoped so that there is now provision only for 1 freight per 2 hours in either direction. It was going to be 1tph for freight previously which might have meant more loops (ie Newton Longville ) being provided. There is a 775m loop at Bicester already on the Up side which also forms a run-round for access to the MOD site. This is available in either direction and entry/exit speed is 40mph.

There will be a similar layout at Claydon on the down where there will be access to the future HS2 infrastructure maintenance depot although I am not sure what is actually being built there now.

Average passenger speed will be 100mph, but I think what is there already for freight is good.
There is capacity for 1tph, more on E-W itself, Oxford and Denbigh Hall are the limiting factors. Bicester isnt 775m but Claydon is. Its 100mph HST differential.
 

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How loud are current freight trains? I'm imagining many folk are 'picturing' the sound of trains of scores of coal wagons clunk- clunk- clunking through the night. Maybe even the sound of marshallings of numerous trains, maybe train couplings tightening, clanking ...
I'm recalling picnicing at Didcot Railway centre and a train (ok a passenger train) just gliding by on the Avoiding Line without disturbing us at all!
Perhaps folk would prefer overlooking a line bounded by permanent continuous high fences (like the M25) rather than an occasional 'train in the country side'.
And that's without the 'environmental benefit' of less traffic on the toads roads :s
The fairly new box wagons seem to glide along on CWR with barely a squeak. Bogie technology has come a long way
 

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The fairly new box wagons seem to glide along on CWR with barely a squeak. Bogie technology has come a long way

How loud are current freight trains? I'm imagining many folk are 'picturing' the sound of trains of scores of coal wagons clunk- clunk- clunking through the night. Maybe even the sound of marshallings of numerous trains, maybe train couplings tightening, clanking ...
I'm recalling picnicing at Didcot Railway centre and a train (ok a passenger train) just gliding by on the Avoiding Line without disturbing us at all!
Perhaps folk would prefer overlooking a line bounded by permanent continuous high fences (like the M25) rather than an occasional 'train in the country side'.
And that's without the 'environmental benefit' of less traffic on the toads roads :s
Of course EWR crosses the route of the Great Central, which had a lot of freight traffic and is celebrating 50 years of preservation this year. In June (17/18th) there will be a 50 wagon freight train running so those clunk - clunk - clunking sounds and train couplings will be heard again!
 

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Clearly freight spending was binned as Newton Longville loop was removed from the scope.
Something which will be felt harshly when a freight can’t be accepted onto the WCML and it ends up stopping the job on the Down Bletchley. This has been raised by me with the project and senior management many times.
 

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Something which will be felt harshly when a freight can’t be accepted onto the WCML and it ends up stopping the job on the Down Bletchley. This has been raised by me with the project and senior management many times.
Can't the Calvert Loop be used for this?
 

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There’s enough time and distance between Calvert and Newton Longville for operational situations to change, especially on the WCML north of Denbigh Hall. The current plans don’t provide any operational bolt holes.
 

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I haven't followed the detail of EWR design and construction.
Will bi-di signalling be provided?
Will the track centres be further apart than normal to allow maintenance on one line while running services on the other?
You know, like virtually every main line on the continent...
 

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I haven't followed the detail of EWR design and construction.
Will bi-di signalling be provided?
Will the track centres be further apart than normal to allow maintenance on one line while running services on the other?
You know, like virtually every main line on the continent...
1. No - there was a discussion in a separate thread split from this one:
2. No - it already looks just like any other two track railway in the various photos so far.
 

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I have just seen a report but cannot yet find official confirmation that Chiltern will operate EWR
 

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I have just seen a report but cannot yet find official confirmation that Chiltern will operate EWR
We had a thread about the DfT announcement last week, it includes all the official details.
 

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Another reminder required that this thread is for the discussion of construction updates for the Oxford to Bletchley section of East West rail. If anyone wants to discuss anything else then they are welcome to start a new thread elsewhere. :)
 

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The latest edition of the EWR newsletter has just landed, with a report on the current progress. Has anyone been out there (with a drone?) to see where exactly the tracklaying has reached?
The track construction programme – one of the biggest of its kind currently in the country – is now 65% complete and remains on target to complete in February 2024, with the team now working on two fronts, from Bicester to Poundon and Bletchley to Steeple Claydon...
 
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On a point I've repeatedly wondered about, a footnote to the diagram near the start of the newsletter says

HS2 Ltd will officially handover the HS2 integration area to HS2 Alliance in Summer 2023, however, we are working with them to facilitate early access in order to start our works in Spring 2023
 

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On a point I've repeatedly wondered about, a footnote to the diagram near the start of the newsletter says
As I understand it, HS2 is crossing EWR's right of way so HS2 is responsible for the cost of building the bridge that takes EWR over HS2 including the necessary embankments each side of the bridge. However I would think that EWR would want their own contractors to do the tracklaying and S&T work.
 

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As I understand it, HS2 is crossing EWR's right of way so HS2 is responsible for the cost of building the bridge that takes EWR over HS2 including the necessary embankments each side of the bridge. However I would think that EWR would want their own contractors to do the tracklaying and S&T work.
That’s exactly what’s happening, as described in the recently linked newsletter, and discussed a number of times in this thread. It’s always been understood because the length of embankments and the structures HS2 are responsible for are only shown on their engineering drawings, and there’s a similar gap in the TWA drawings for EWR. There‘s an HS2 drawing in post #317 that broadly defines “their“ area.
 

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FWIW, I agree that it's frustrating that the SIMBIDS-type signalling (I'm not sure what it's counted as nowadays) wasn't provided from Bicester to Claydon and Claydon to Bletchley, but if it becomes obviously needed it can be fitted later
I don't think SIMBIDS can be installed from new anymore it has to be proper Bi-Directional signalling.
 
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Here are the latest track laying progress from today

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This was taken from Charndon bridge, looking towards Bicester and shows how far the track has reached eastwards.

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This photo was taken from the new Verney Junction farm track bridge looking west towards Bicester and shows how far the track has reached west.

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Taken from Farmer’s bridge at Verney Junction looking East.

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Taken from Charndon Bridge looking East towards HS2
 
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