East Coast Ammended services Monday?

[Meridian richard]

I am travelling to Edinburgh on the 0808 from Doncaster
Does Anyoe know if that service will be running or not?
I know on Friday it was cancelled
National Rail say check 1 hour before you travel.

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

Sorry misread your post;
Here is the amended timetable put in place until further notice; http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...o/East_Coast_timetables/Northbound_051210.pdf

According to that, the first service arrives at Doncaster 09.37

 

[E&W Lucas]

Sorry misread your post;
Here is the amended timetable put in place until further notice; http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...o/East_Coast_timetables/Northbound_051210.pdf

According to that, the first service arrives at Doncaster 09.37

That's a Sunday only timetable!

Monday's here - http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...ast_timetables/Northbound_6_DECEMBER_2010.pdf

 

[brompton rail]

Sorry misread your post;
Here is the amended timetable put in place until further notice; http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...o/East_Coast_timetables/Northbound_051210.pdf

According to that, the first service arrives at Doncaster 09.37

That is Sunday's (today's) timetable..

Mondays is here, lower down than Sundays.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/sa89eaa5e6084b1d9524c2778d7d490d/details.html

8:08 runs at 8.26 and gets to Edinburgh about 12.19 (an hour later) earlier service would be 7.06 XC service to Newcastle and change at Darlington (same platform) into 7.10 from Leeds. However for the past couple of days XC have cancelled all, or most, of their services via Doncaster. Earlier still is 6.15 EC service from Doncaster.

Good luck.
Sorry, copy and paste URL and it should work.

 

[embers25]

How is the very slow East Coast timetablegoing to fit in with a full FCC timetable particularly if they have to run at 80mph. Are FCC also limited to 80mph and if so they can't possibly keep time? Also given XC leave Edinburgh right after the on the hour EC departures surely they are guaranteed to always be late by Newcastle as they won't be able to pass to much slower EC service?

 

[DaveNewcastle]

How is the very slow East Coast timetablegoing to fit in with a full FCC timetable particularly if they have to run at 80mph. Are FCC also limited to 80mph and if so they can't possibly keep time?

Are you absolutely sure about this? I'm not.
The 80mph max restriction was imposed on ECML journeys north of York only. Where did you learn it had been applied further south?
I can see more padding and slower speeds may apply in the long stretches north of FCC land but that wouldn't impact in the way you're describing.

Also given XC leave Edinburgh right after the on the hour EC departures surely they are guaranteed to always be late by Newcastle as they won't be able to pass to much slower EC service?

Much slower? What speeds are you referring to here?
There's only about 5 miles (in 3 separate places) betweeen Newcastle and Edinburgh where passenger services are permitted above 110 and much of the line is limited lower than that (typ. 80 - 90).
Most of the revised timetable in this area is simply padding between Berwick and Newcastle, so it doesn't follow that significant cumulative delays will be created.

 

[E&W Lucas]

I think you'll find that it's not a maximum speed at all, but the speed that the timetabling has been worked out for. Any traction is limited to 100 in snow conditions, ie falling or being disturbed. Factor in very regular running brake tests to stop discs clogging up, and that's where your 80 mph speed will come from.

Advertising a timetable that you will be able to achieve in the conditions makes a lot of sense!

 

[embers25]

I agree that East Coast have done a good job of adjusting their timetable throughout the past few days to adapt for conditions but wonder why XC haven't (except cancelling Reading to Newc between Brum and Newc) and so have run late instead.
As for Edin-Newc, XC are running normal timetable departing at 07 or 08 scheduled into Newcastle around 40 while EC are now 00 arriving at 55 and so that means XC at least 17 late into Newcastle. Even allowing for padding XC will still be late as they are timed to leave Berwick before EC yet can't pass. I realise XC probably couldn't run those times anyway in the weather but surely their timetable needs adjusting as those delays so far have meant them missing their paths further south causing further knock on delays to many services. Also given XC are diesel so less likely to break down than the "scared of snow" 91's shouldn't they be timed to leave before EC as so far broken down EC trains seem to have caused massive (3hr+) delays to XC that maybe could've been avoided if the XC had gone first.
Take your point about speeds south of York although EC and FCC are still timed in the same paths from Peterborough now which obviously can't work. Surely a bit of time checking for conflicts with existing services would've been a good plan. Then again Notwork Fail must have helped create and agreed this timetable so I wouldn't expect anything less!

 

[DaveNewcastle]

. . . Even allowing for padding XC will still be late as they are timed to leave Berwick before EC yet can't pass. I realise XC probably couldn't run those times anyway in the weather but surely their timetable needs adjusting as those delays so far have meant them missing their paths further south causing further knock on delays to many services. Also given XC are diesel so less likely to break down than the "scared of snow" 91's shouldn't they be timed to leave before EC as so far broken down EC trains seem to have caused massive (3hr+) delays to XC that maybe could've been avoided if the XC had gone first.

It might be helpful to consider two other factors:-
The AVERAGE speed of the XC and EC services between Newcastle and Edinburgh on the 'normal' timetable is 80mph. (That's 120miles in 90minutes). This puts the temporary max. speed of 80mph in some sort of context.
The rules about driving during snowfall and snow disturbance (where linespeed is above 50mph) is to reduce linespeed by 10mph - this applies irrespective of of the power type (OHLE, diesel, units or locos) and certainly irrespective of TOC.

I really don't think that the OP's enquiry can be answered by making distinctions between TOCs or between types of train. The real difference (as the OP suggested) is that EC have published a timetable that is more likely to be realistic and XC have not.

 

[maddeningcrowds]

If you brought your ticket prior to the amended timetable being announced, can you make a "delay repay" claim for being later than originally timetabled (although "on time" for the new timetable)?

East Coast might argue it is due to factors outside of their control, but I might argue that below-zero temperatures are normal for the UK and that areas affected by genuinely exceptional weather are well outside of the route I am travelling (Scotland is not near to Leeds/London).

 

[YorkshireRider]

Good luck with that, i cant see you managing to get anything, especially as EC is allowing customers to travel 2 hours either side of there booking

 

[Meridian richard]

I had a journey from hell.
The train was 35 mins late in Doncaster. When I boarded the carridge which I was booked in was freezing cold.
I moved to the next coach
Just after thirsk we had signalling problems which caused 20 min delays.
10 mins outside Darlington our 91 failed because of the pantograph not picking up power.
The heating turned off and we were stuck. A class 67 pulled us away 1hr 45mins later.
I left the train at Darlington and gave up.
East coast have agreed to give me a full refund for my troubles

 

[philjo]

My Dad is got an advance ticket booked for Thursday, booked on the 07:56 Stevenage to Leeds which is not running under the amended timetable.
Unless the normal timetable has resumed by then, the amended timetable only shows a 07:25 East Coast service calling at Stevenage (Edinburgh train), with a 45 minute wait a Doncaster, finally arriving in Leeds 55 minutes after the scheduled arrival at time of booking. Leeds services are currently not stopping at Stevenage.
Would his ticket be valid on Northern services for Doncaster-Leeds?
There is a tight (4 minutes) connection at Doncaster, but it would only mean he is 20 minutes late in Leeds. He is booked in coach B so would be at the right end of the platform at doncaster for the Northern connection from the bay platform.

 

[ainsworth74]

Technically no, however seeing as your Dad is going to be stuck in Doncaster anyway he might as well speak to the guard of the Northern service and explain the situation to him. You never know the guard may use discretion and allow him to travel on the Northern service rather than wait for the EC service.

 

[philjo]

Thanks.
I'll tell him to ask the guard (assuming he arrives in Doncaster in time for the NT connection anyway)

 

[YorkshireRider]

The 0735 kings x to Leeds is running tomorrow so more than likley will be on thursday as well

 

[DaveNewcastle]

The special EC timetables, although still being issued on a day by day basis, are now much closer to 'normal' timings.
For examples:
- yesterday, London-Leeds was timetabled at 3hrs, and today, its 2hrs10 to 2hrs30
- yestereday, London - Edinburgh was timetabled at 6hrs, and today, its 5hrs10 to 5hrs30.

They are also advising that special timetables are likely to apply until Thurs 9th at the least.