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East Brum - HS2 Hub Metro.....abandoned?

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MarkWi72

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This has now been put on hold. Last week in Solihull Council. a North Solihull opposition Councillor asked the question if the money was still available last week. It wasn't answered properly and it has sort of 'been put on hold'. Given the issues with the Hagley Rd spur, the 20 odd years it has taken for a second line to be started and the Metro closure from November, it is looking likely Andy Street's plans for integrated West Mids public transport are not happening. Out of all Met Counties and Conurbations, the West Midlands has been the most anti- public transport out of all going.
 
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It is still in the Local transport plan for delivery by 2026/7 (page 39), but it has low priority.
In the short term I think it will be easier to extend the Sprint Bus Rapid Transit from the NEC to the HS2 Birmingham Interchange station.

A whole new suburb (Arden Cross) is proposed around the HS2 station and this will need good public transport links to the surrounding districts.
 

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That's ok, but the transport in Chelsmley Wood, Castle Bromwich and Kingshurst is awful. A tram would open the area up as it has no railway station apart from Marston Green.

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It is still in the Local transport plan for delivery by 2026/7 (page 39), but it has low priority.
In the short term I think it will be easier to extend the Sprint Bus Rapid Transit from the NEC to the HS2 Birmingham Interchange station.

A whole new suburb (Arden Cross) is proposed around the HS2 station and this will need good public transport links to the surrounding districts.
Yes I Realise this. but it is a kick in the gonads for Andy Street to de-prioritise the East Brum tram.
 
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This has now been put on hold. Last week in Solihull Council. a North Solihull opposition Councillor asked the question if the money was still available last week. It wasn't answered properly and it has sort of 'been put on hold'. Given the issues with the Hagley Rd spur, the 20 odd years it has taken for a second line to be started and the Metro closure from November, it is looking likely Andy Street's plans for integrated West Mids public transport are not happening. Out of all Met Counties and Conurbations, the West Midlands has been the most anti- public transport out of all going.
Could you flesh this out a bit?

From a distance the West Midlands seems to have four tram extensions currently in build, HS2, station upgrades of which Perry Barr and University are only examples, five new stations on the Camp Hill Loop and Wolverhampton-Walsall lines and recent things like the New Street makeover, Cannock line electrification, Bromsgrove; and major rolling stock orders about to enter service.

I can appreciate that some local politicians may have been disappointed at cost increases and engineering delays but who exactly has been "anti-public transport"?

(It's a long time since I lived in the area and saw the new PTA/E in 1969 replacing local rail services with buses.)
 

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Most of the first line between Birmingham and Wolverhampton and the line now being (re)built between Wednesbury and Brierley Hill is previous heavy rail routes. This allows faster running. For the line from Birmingham to Solihull, NEC and HS2 interchange would most of the line be along roads ? If so in terms of journey time how much could be gained compared to dedicated bus lanes ?
 

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Could you flesh this out a bit?

From a distance the West Midlands seems to have four tram extensions currently in build, HS2, station upgrades of which Perry Barr and University are only examples, five new stations on the Camp Hill Loop and Wolverhampton-Walsall lines and recent things like the New Street makeover, Cannock line electrification, Bromsgrove; and major rolling stock orders about to enter service.

I can appreciate that some local politicians may have been disappointed at cost increases and engineering delays but who exactly has been "anti-public transport"?

(It's a long time since I lived in the area and saw the new PTA/E in 1969 replacing local rail services with buses.)
I think the issue is more due to the fact there's been a car industry culture (despite Metro-Cammel's presence) and alongside bus and local rail de-regulation, doesn't really shout - 'pt network'. The Original post is now vindicated as this leg of the metro which featured highly on Andy Street's election campaign(with a published local network map). These areas of East Brum/North Solihull are poorly served by buses.

I realise from the outside , it looks a bit different. However, as part of a low carbon tranpsort economy and wanting to get people out of cars, light rail/metro/tram networks must be the main solution. Especially, areas where rail is of little option (western Black Country/ East Brum/ Shirley etc. )

As for the trams, none are running now of course, which could be acontributory factor.
 

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I think the issue is more due to the fact there's been a car industry culture (despite Metro-Cammel's presence)
A large division of Metro-Cammell was Metro Cammell Weymann who built bus bodies and supplied most of Birmingham's double-deckers in the 80s the MCW Metrobus. Also not forgetting the MetroCab taxi.

The reason the East Brum/Solihull/HS2 extension is delayed is lack of money rather than prevailing attitude against it. The recent government transport grant funding is less then was wanted and there are increased costs due to delays and inflation on the current extensions. I believe the plan is to get the already underway extensions completed and open and revisit the eastern extension when the finances and fare income have consolidated.
 

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I thought they also built some London Underground stock, as wll as bus bodies.
 
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