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t o m

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I'm trying to find out why signalling circuits are required to be earth free and how double cutting achieves this. I know that earth leakage can cause the false operation of equipment etc... just need some detail.

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Hello

I'm trying to find out why signalling circuits are required to be earth free and how double cutting achieves this. I know that earth leakage can cause the false operation of equipment etc... just need some detail.

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I've never heard the term 'double cutting' before in electrical matters; could you explain it, please?

And yes - earth leakage can cause false operation - particularly bear in mind that track circuits are already partly in contact with the earth - the 'wrong-side' failure of a track circuit could lead to an accident.
 

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Double cutting is also known as double switching, it means that dual pole switches are being used.
 

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Double switching?

(Or even double insulation?)

Oops, too late
 
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I've managed to find this, it explains it a bit.

4.5 Double Cutting
The following should generally be double cut:
• all safety-critical line circuits in their entirety.
• all safety-critical on-track circuits in their entirety, except for signal lighting. This includes external loop inputs to electronic devices and their external outputs.
• any other circuit fed from a power supply that feeds either of the above.
This is because signalling circuits are susceptible to earth faults, due, for example, to mechanical damage or insulation degradation permitting contact with a relay rack, lever frame, apparatus case body or running rail. As signalling supplies are not generally earthed, two earth faults would be necessary to create a hazardous failure, e.g. by bridging out contacts, although the first fault could go undetected.

By duplicating contacts in both legs of a circuit, four faults would be required to cause such a failure (and these faults would probably short circuit the supply and disable the circuit). This precludes the use of common returns for safety-critical line circuits. Earth returns should not be used for new installations, nor under any circumstances in electrified areas. Where practicable, contacts of the same relay should be used in each leg of the circuit in order to double cut. Where different relays are used in each leg, for consistency the first relay to operate and release should be placed in the feed leg. (For polarised circuits see Section 10.5.3.) The requirement to double cut does not apply to:
• contacts used solely to impose non-safety-related controls on safetycritical circuits;
• back contacts used solely for down proving;
• back contacts used solely for cross proving;
• contacts used solely for correspondence proving;
• contacts used solely to economise power consumption;
• contacts on the internal side of an isolating transformer, or transformer rectifier, feeding external circuits (see Section 4.2);
• signal lighting circuits (see Section 4.4);
• internal circuits on a dedicated power supply (see Section 4.2);
• non-safety-related circuits on a dedicated power supply; nor to
• systems that use alternative equivalent measures to mitigate the risk of earth faults, such as earth fault disconnection devices
 

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I've managed to find this, it explains it a bit.

This is because signalling circuits are susceptible to earth faults, due, for example, to mechanical damage or insulation degradation permitting contact with a relay rack, lever frame, apparatus case body or running rail. As signalling supplies are not generally earthed, two earth faults would be necessary to create a hazardous failure, e.g. by bridging out contacts, although the first fault could go undetected.

By duplicating contacts in both legs of a circuit, four faults would be required to cause such a failure (and these faults would probably short circuit the supply and disable the circuit). This precludes the use of common returns for safety-critical line circuits.

The paragraphs you quote above give the main reason. Even without double cutting a single earth fault cannot usually cause a 'wrong side' failure. With 2 such faults at random places in a circuit routed through trackside cables however you run the risk of the relay operating current bypassing critical contacts, such as track circuit clear proving in a signal circuit. Double cutting, or double pole switching, minimises the risk; as explained 4 simultaneous earth faults, 2 in each of the separate legs and in the same corresponding parts of the circuit would be required to bypass a particular control, extremely unlikely and thus considered ALARP risk.
 

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Thanks for that.

Does anyone happen to know how an Earth Leakage Detector Works? I know it's function and that it is latched, just not how it actually works.
 

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Thanks for that.

Does anyone happen to know how an Earth Leakage Detector Works? I know it's function and that it is latched, just not how it actually works.

Yes - there are two types - the most usual is the current-measuring type as found in the majority of homes and elsewhere. The live and neutral currents pass through coils on a common former; if there is no imbalance between the two they cancel each other's magnetic fields out. If an imbalance arises, a field is generated and when the field reaches a certain level trips the main switch. The imbalance current is usually around 10mA for high sensitivity, 30mA (the maximum allowed for shock protection) and 100mA where nusiance tripping needs to be avoided and there is a low shock hazard.

The other is the voltage type - when the voltage between a reference earth electrode and the earth of a system exceeds a few volts the mains is cut off. Only has limited applications.

By the way - where did the extract on the 'double cutting' come from? It is like nothing I've seen in BS7671 (the former 'IEE Wiring Regs') or in a number of books on signalling circuits.
 

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Yes - there are two types - the most usual is the current-measuring type as found in the majority of homes and elsewhere. The live and neutral currents pass through coils on a common former; if there is no imbalance between the two they cancel each other's magnetic fields out. If an imbalance arises, a field is generated and when the field reaches a certain level trips the main switch. The imbalance current is usually around 10mA for high sensitivity, 30mA (the maximum allowed for shock protection) and 100mA where nusiance tripping needs to be avoided and there is a low shock hazard.

The other is the voltage type - when the voltage between a reference earth electrode and the earth of a system exceeds a few volts the mains is cut off. Only has limited applications.

By the way - where did the extract on the 'double cutting' come from? It is like nothing I've seen in BS7671 (the former 'IEE Wiring Regs') or in a number of books on signalling circuits.

I got it from GK/RC0706 Signalling and Operational Telecommunications Design: Technical Guidance

http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_...gnalling/Codes of Practice/GKRC0706 Iss 1.pdf

I just found that from google, don't know if there is a more up to date version, I'll have to look on the work computers. Doubt it's changed much though.

Is the first Earth Leakage Detector you describe the type used on the railway?
 

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Is the first Earth Leakage Detector you describe the type used on the railway?
I can't answer this question with relevance to what is used in the railway but I can tell you that voltage operated circuit breakers haven't been common for some time, certainly in domestic installations.

As already stated the voltage operated type have limited applications and aren't allowed in the home because of the risk of a potential arising during earth fault conditions on pipework/extraneous parts in TT installations where you will have much higher earth impedances.

The current operated variety (more commonly labelled an RCD in the home) come in a variety of types. As already stated 30mA is the highest rating for shock protection though I think anything rated above 100mA up to 500mA will be used to help prevent against fire from earth leakage. You can also get time delayed S-type which will allow a fault current to flow for a short period before tripping.
 
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