Dustbins on stations

[90019]

We cannot stop bombs by these 'security measures'. We are playing into terrorists hands by disrupting our normal lives as this is exactly what they want.

Indeed, many people think that a terrorist attack is just the attack itself, rather than the effects it causes afterwards. Obviously, the best example of this would be 9/11, where you just have to look at the restrictions imposed on people's freedoms after the event to see how widespread the effects are.

Tbh, being somewhat cynical, I do wonder if the bigger terrorist attacks from the past few years have actually been a good thing for those in charge, bringing up an opportunity for ruling by fear to remove freedoms without uproar from the majority of the population.

 

[Greenback]

They've certainly taken every opportunity to try and attack civil liberties!

 

[northwichcat]

I'm trying to think of a more major station that does have litter bins.

You might be thinking of a major station that does have bin but how many airports can you think of that doesn't have a litter bin until you've passed through security?

 

[Vulcan]

I don't have that much experience of airports to know, having only flown 3 times.

Another curiousity where the presence of bins is self conflicting is Bradford Interchange. There are dustbins on every second bus stand in the seating areas, yet none at all on the railway station platforms. Furthermore, I would have thought an explosion in the bus station would cause the most disruption.

 

[LE Greys]

I don't have that much experience of airports to know, having only flown 3 times.

Another curiousity where the presence of bins is self conflicting is Bradford Interchange. There are dustbins on every second bus stand in the seating areas, yet none at all on the railway station platforms. Furthermore, I would have thought an explosion in the bus station would cause the most disruption.

Usually, most defence strategies involve 'fighting the last war', which in our case was Northern Ireland. Trying to apply that to the current situation is probably unlikely to succeed.

One of the things that astonishes me about European stations is how clean they are. I'm not entirely certain if this is because they have more bins or if it has more to do with public attitudes, but it is surprising.

 

[142094]

Another curiousity where the presence of bins is self conflicting is Bradford Interchange. There are dustbins on every second bus stand in the seating areas, yet none at all on the railway station platforms. Furthermore, I would have thought an explosion in the bus station would cause the most disruption.

Bradford Interchange is in part run by Metro, so they'll have some say over what is placed where, such as litter bins. The same goes for the bus stations in West Yorkshire.

I guess there is some feeling that railway stations are an easier target which could maximise disruption. A bomb at a main railway station could cause problems for many months, whereas it would be easier to reroute buses to other stops near to the bus stations.

 

[Old Timer]

One of the things that astonishes me about European stations is how clean they are. I'm not entirely certain if this is because they have more bins or if it has more to do with public attitudes, but it is surprising.

It is one of the most striking things about travelling to other Countries, and brings home to you how dirty and uncivilised the average Briton is.

As a nation we litter our environment with used wrappers, bottles, cans, and discarded cigarettes, and at night we add urine to that cocktail in our Cities and towns.

Whereas in some Countries, one would be tackled by passers by for dropping litter or fouling the streets, do it here and as a minimum you will be on the receiving end of threats and verbal abuse, and at worst will be attacked, and then subsequently arrested and charged by our "wonderful" Police who are chasing quick hit targets with some low level public order offence whilst the scrotes and ne'er do wells walk away unchallenged.:roll:

 

[CarterUSM]

It is one of the most striking things about travelling to other Countries, and brings home to you how dirty and uncivilised the average Briton is.

As a nation we litter our environment with used wrappers, bottles, cans, and discarded cigarettes, and at night we add urine to that cocktail in our Cities and towns.

Whereas in some Countries, one would be tackled by passers by for dropping litter or fouling the streets, do it here and as a minimum you will be on the receiving end of threats and verbal abuse, and at worst will be attacked, and then subsequently arrested and charged by our "wonderful" Police who are chasing quick hit targets with some low level public order offence whilst the scrotes and ne'er do wells walk away unchallenged.:roll:

Couldn't agree more with that post. I really cannot believe we have become like this as a nation. Scroungers everywhere, people demanding things on a plate yesterday, and a blatant disregard for others and their locality. It fills me with gloom sometimes.

 

[northwichcat]

It is one of the most striking things about travelling to other Countries, and brings home to you how dirty and uncivilised the average Briton is.

As a nation we litter our environment with used wrappers, bottles, cans, and discarded cigarettes, and at night we add urine to that cocktail in our Cities and towns.

Whereas in some Countries, one would be tackled by passers by for dropping litter or fouling the streets, do it here and as a minimum you will be on the receiving end of threats and verbal abuse, and at worst will be attacked, and then subsequently arrested and charged by our "wonderful" Police who are chasing quick hit targets with some low level public order offence whilst the scrotes and ne'er do wells walk away unchallenged.:roll:

The worse that happens in some areas of Britain is a council official hands an on the spot fine. Then no evidence is recorded and you get council officials making a big fuss about a small bit of pastry dropped from a sausage roll that's been eaten by wildlife before the offender has finished arguing with the council official then they take no action over someone persistently fly tipping.

To overcome the urinal problem in some towns and cities some night time urinals appear from underground but it just makes the place look so nice doesn't it!

One place where we netter off compared to other European countries is with spray paint vandalism. In some areas you get see spray painted train every half-hour or so.

 

[WatcherZero]

Using Victoria regularly I understand your frustation at being told to just put it down, so few trains I use have bins either, not even those really small ones.

I think it could also serve to trigger negative perceptions in passengers that they can just leave it anywhere when they leave the station or travel elsewhere.

As another station comparison Wigan Wallgate (1.3m) has those transparent bags while neighbouring Wigan North Western (1.2m) to my memory, though I may be wrong, doesnt have any.

 

[Old Timer]

I just love this, which I picked up somewhere else I visit

Dear Town Clerk (no, not CEO),

I'm Old Holborn, a political blogger and live in Braintree. I'm the one who told you what I was going to pay for the bits I wanted in my council tax, not the other way around, remember me?

Couple of things

1. Any sign of the £2 Million of OUR money the bean counters you hired ****ed up the wall in Iceland yet? When can we expect sackings?


2. Clean the streets up. You took £1.8 million to clean up the streets and it looks like Hurricane Katrina out there. **** all over the place.

Whilst I realise a great proportion of the inhabitants of this town are little more than tattooed shaved babboons that source their daily nourishment from Kebab shops and McDonalds drive throughs, there is no excuse for the place looking a Nigerian rubbish dump (photo of the high street above).

I see the council vans out and about filled to the brim with Sun reading hi-viz vested unemployables but why are the roads covered in **** filled plastic bottles chucked out by Latvian lorry drivers on their way back to Harwich?

What's with the half eaten chicken carcasses in the high street?

Instead of holding "multicultural" festivals complete with Romany nose warbling demonstrations and the obligatory single parent halfing attempting to convert the loyal citizens to the joys of "Gangsta Rap, innit" at 120db (yes, just last weekend) or **** like this or putting up CCTV on evvery street corner and hiring more "civil enforcement" officers, why don't you just bollock the oafs who are supposed to be cleaning the place up at my expense?

Tell you what. Sack the lot of them and use some of the endless stream of "vulnerable young adults" that are up before the beak every week for beating strangers with pick axe handles for daring to look at their drunken pitbulls.

Instead of sending them off to anger management classes held by 60 year old Lesbians who have only ever worked in the gardening department of Braintree Council, send the *******s out in pink uniforms to pick up the litter and roadkill instead. Readers of my blog will gladly donate to pink uniforms and leg irons to keep the scrotes in their proper place. Picking up ****, in January, in the rain or scraping badgers off the tarmac in mid August under the beating sun.

£1.8 million a year saved. Nearly as much as YOU lost in Iceland, you cocktrumpet. Oh, and stop giving schoolkids a fiver to put litter in bins. No. Really. Stop it

I'm coming to the next council meeting to ask you in person.

 

[ainsworth74]

I just love this, which I picked up somewhere else I visit

Why am I not suprised that you read OH

He is good though, I always get a bit of laugh (or flash of anger at the government) from his posts.

 

[Greenback]

Couldn't agree more with that post. I really cannot believe we have become like this as a nation. Scroungers everywhere, people demanding things on a plate yesterday, and a blatant disregard for others and their locality. It fills me with gloom sometimes.

It fills me with the desire to emigrate. Unfortunately, New Zealand doesn't want me!

 

[CarterUSM]

It fills me with the desire to emigrate. Unfortunately, New Zealand doesn't want me!

What about pitcairn island? You would expand the gene pool by quite some way!!

 

[Greenback]

What about pitcairn island? You would expand the gene pool by quite some way!!

Hey, that's a cracking idea!

 

[leewoods60019]

If you go to Leeds station, and look behind a vending machine theres no gaps for bombs to be placed, they did have a bomb in Leeds a while back but they managed to defuse it if I remember correctly, Leeds has no bins whatsoever, either hand it to the cleaner or chuck it on the floor. And because cleaners clean 24/7 it's easy to spot rubbish because the station is generally very clean. Trains have bins though (like the 158 ) behind the seats, and that does travel through some major stations in e.g. Leeds, Manchester etc. Most trains offer regular bin collections (TransPennine do this) but Northern Rail don't.

 

[bengley]

I'm a terrorist and I totally agree - I can never find anywhere to put my bombs these days!

 

[Vulcan]

Leeds has no bins whatsoever, either hand it to the cleaner or chuck it on the floor. And because cleaners clean 24/7 it's easy to spot rubbish because the station is generally very clean

Yes, but some bin-less stations (Huddersfield again) do not have 24/7 cleaning, and consequently the litter looks messy, and often blows off the platforms onto the track, and is then litter forever until it naturally degrades.
Looks messy, makes the railway system look messy, uncared for and uninviting to passengers, and It could so easily be done 100% better.

 

[northwichcat]

Yes, but some bin-less stations (Huddersfield again) do not have 24/7 cleaning, and consequently the litter looks messy, and often blows off the platforms onto the track, and is then litter forever until it naturally degrades.
Looks messy, makes the railway system look messy, uncared for and uninviting to passengers, and It could so easily be done 100% better.

Does Huddersfield station still have the sign on the door saying it's closed between two early morning times for cleaning even though TPE timetable trains to arrive/depart during that period?

 

[jimrbrobinson]

To be honest, I've never even noticed whether there are litter bins at stations I've passed through or not!!! I've usually got some sort of bag with me when travelling, and I'm so ingrained in taking my rubbish home and sorting it into the recycling bins that I never notice litter bins anyway!!!! I'll go now and polish my halo!!!!

 

[nedchester]

I'm a terrorist and I totally agree - I can never find anywhere to put my bombs these days!

 

[Vulcan]

Does Huddersfield station still have the sign on the door saying it's closed between two early morning times for cleaning even though TPE timetable trains to arrive/depart during that period?

Yes, theres a sign with words to that effect near the door. but I don't know if it refferes to the whole station or just the building.

They have just built these new lifts and a new staircase at Huddersfield, so the subway appears out of platform 1 now rather then inside the building. I'll bet they are planning on closing the building altogether overnight once it's finished.

 

[Vulcan]

I went to Carlisle station last week. it's yet another station where they think its a good idea to not have any dustbins, but it did amuse me that on the other side of the sidings (where there used to be various parcels vans and locomotived stood) along the back wall beside said sidings there is a dustbin every 100 yards or so. I felt like testing my aim to see if I could plant my sandwich wrapper in one from the platform, as I was brought up not to drop litter, (even if its technically 'allowed', I still can't do it.) I eventually found the cleaner, and even he agreed that the lack of dustbins was a rediculous decision.

 

[142094]

The cleaner shouldn't really be complaining, a lack of litter bins is probably keeping him in a job!

 

[Vulcan]

Nah, he'd still have to empty them. Plus even if there were dustbins, there would still be people too idle/inconsiderate to use them.

 

[142094]

Aye but emptying a bin doesn't take all day, whereas you'll never stop cleaning up after people at a big station. Plus he could clean up some of the pigeon crap at Carlisle as well.

 

[bnm]

Whatever the situation, bins when provided will fill up quickly as most people do try to use them.

This requires sufficient staff to empty them, and of course remove the rubbish.

Remember that with the removal of bins, there was a reduction in the amount of rubbish bins we needed and thus we were able to realise savings in that manner. In the case of unmanned stations, the need to send someone there on a regular basis was removed overnight, and in some areas was to allow the removal of posts when they became unfilled.

Were/are savings really made? A large station with bins surely requires less cleaning staff. Without the bins litter has to be cleared from every nook and cranny and that is surely more labour intensive and therefore less cost effective.

On my local line, a staff member visits the unmanned stations on a daily basis to check on lighting, CIS, pick litter, water planters etc. No bins to empty but still a daily visit.

 

[Vulcan]

Plus he could clean up some of the pigeon crap at Carlisle as well.

haha, yeah I even noticed the white stripe across the platforms and trackbed under the edge of the roof where the pigeons perch, thinking 'that's somthing rarely modelled in 4mm scale.'

 

[CarterUSM]

Speaking of doos, i've seen loads of pigeons lying dead at Carlisle, on the netting up in the roof space , someone is a crack shot........

 

[Vulcan]

Speaking of doos, i've seen loads of pigeons lying dead at Carlisle, on the netting up in the roof space , someone is a crack shot........

There was also one all over the front of City of Manchester. Nice one Pendo, one down a million more damn pigeons to go!