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Dunkirk-Rosyth ferry nearing regulatory changes for restarting

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ONE of the main obstacles to the return of the Rosyth ferry to Europe is to be removed by the Scottish Government.

Danish-owned DFDS want to launch a freight and passenger service, three times per week to and from Dunkirk in France, with a sailing time of 20 hours, but there's no Border Control Post (BCP) at the West Fife port.
The Scottish Government are now proposing legislation changes that will allow products arriving from the EU to be docked at Rosyth and then checked at the BCP in Grangemouth.

Dunfermline and Dollar MP Graeme Downie said: "While it has taken the SNP far too long to come to the table, it is very good news this action has been taken to allow a potential freight and passenger ferry service from Rosyth to use the BCP at Grangemouth.
Dunfermline and Dollar Labour MP Graeme Downie. (Image: Newsquest)
“The trade deal secured with the EU by the UK Labour government will ensure a less onerous process in future but it is a relief that after months of pressure from myself and others the SNP have finally done the right thing.
“This puts a ferry service from Rosyth to Dunkirk one step closer to operation, and I will carry on working on the remaining barriers along with local and national stakeholders."
READ MORE: Ministers told to restore Scotland to Europe ferry service
Food and agricultural products must undergo biosecurity checks at a BCP before entering Scotland from the EU and vice versa.
The existing port at Rosyth is not able to facilitate border checks however these are already in place just over 20 miles away at Grangemouth.
SNP MSP for Cowdenbeath, Annabelle Ewing. (Image: Newsquest)
Cowdenbeath MSP Annabelle Ewing said the proposals will remove "unnecessary post-Brexit barriers" and allow ferries to dock at the Fife port.
She said: "This is exactly the kind of forward-thinking, practical action people expect from the SNP government, reconnecting Scotland to Europe and putting Fife back on the map as a key trading hub.
“Re-establishing the Rosyth - Europe ferry route will boost local jobs, strengthen Fife’s economy and support our exporters, helping to undo some of the real damage caused by a Brexit Scotland did not vote for.
“While Westminster drags its heels, the SNP is delivering on Scotland’s ambition to be an outward-looking, confident European nation once again.”
The return of the ferry has been talked about for years, practically since the sailings stopped seven years ago.
READ MORE: MSP slams Scottish Government's lack of progress on ferry route
Superfast Ferries launched a service between Rosyth and Zeebrugge in 2002 and it was later taken over by Norfolkline.
It stopped carrying passengers in 2010, when it became freight-only, and DFDS became the third operator of the route.
The service ended in 2018 shortly after a fire on board the Finlandia Seaways ship.
Mr Downie told the Press last month that the "final barrier" will be improved and upgraded infrastructure at the Port of Rosyth, and that talks had taken place to identify what might be needed and what it will cost.
A Forth Ports spokesperson said: “We support the return of a freight ferry service to the Port of Rosyth and we will continue to be part of the discussions and work alongside those who have an interest in the resumption of this service.”
Estimates suggest up to 80,000 passengers a year would use the Rosyth - Dunkirk route, bringing an extra £11.5 million of spend into the Scottish economy and taking 8.2 million tonnes of freight traffic off our roads.
Mid Scotland and Fife Green MSP, Mark Ruskell. (Image: Newsquest)
The government said a short consultation on the proposed legislation changes will be launched "as soon as possible", with the Scottish Statutory Instrument planned to be made before Scottish Parliament is dissolved for the 2026 elections.
Scottish Green MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, Mark Ruskell, said: “Whilst I understand that due process must be followed, I’m concerned that opening a consultation ‘soon’ with the hope for legislative change ahead of the next election - less than six months away - with a growing backlog in the Scottish Parliament that this will be very tough ask.
“The appetite is there from Fife communities, from industry, from Westminster and Scottish exporters.
"We need the Scottish Government to prioritise this work to reduce the climate impact of transporting freight and for the local and national impact it would bring."
Minister for Agriculture & Connectivity, Jim Fairlie, said: “This is a strategically important trade route for Scotland, particularly for our agricultural sector, and it is imperative that we do all we can to counter the negative impact we are experiencing to Scottish exports following our removal from the EU.
“We will do all we can to ensure this direct freight and passenger ferry service to Europe is delivered as quickly and efficiently as possible.”

If I read this correctly, once the border control law passes, DFDS should be able to actually start the route

I wish this actually gets to go ahead, that's absolutely a route I would use when I go for tourism in Scotland
 
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This has been mooted for years but I'm cautiously optimistic it'll happen. I took the Zeebrugge ferry many years ago, my first overnight ferry, and really enjoyed it. I'll definitely be using it if it goes ahead.
 

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There is more than a hint of wishful thinking and a huge dollop of self-congratulatory PR on the part of the SNP in that press release.

As far as I am aware DFDS has not committed to running anything to Rosyth and considering their current financial situation I seriously doubt they would be so reckless to invest in starting such a marginal route at this time, if anything I'd be worried if they did.
 

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In what world does the potential restarting of this route 'remove "unnecessary post-Brexit barriers"' (other than the SNP's fantasy one)? Scotland has exactly the same regulatory regime in that sense as the rest of the UK.
 

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In what world does the potential restarting of this route 'remove "unnecessary post-Brexit barriers"' (other than the SNP's fantasy one)? Scotland has exactly the same regulatory regime in that sense as the rest of the UK.
I would wander and guess that on the former Dunkirk/Zebbruge iteration of that route, so it could do without a goods border control ppint.

Which Brexit added, now there needs to be a law allowing goods to be berthed at Rosyth and processed somewhere inland (bit like the new Holyhead border inland facility, though that only processes live and dangerous cargo)
 

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It's a necessary precondition for the start of a service, but not the only one. DFDS will have to procure a suitable vessel and be satisfied that whatever subsidy arrangements are in place are to its liking. Ferry services between Scotland and Continental Europe have a long and chequered history. Before the Maersk Line route, in the 1980s or 1990s there was a P&O service to somewhere (it may have been Dundee, probably freight only). The problem with the route is that it's long - too long to be operated at an acceptable frequency with a single vessel, so there will always be faster, more frequent and probably cheaper alternatives a few hours' drive to the south. It's also very prone to weather delays. It will happen if the Scots government decides to throw enough taxpayer's money at it, but how long it actually lasts is another matter.
 

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The Rosyth - Zeebrugge service stopped in 2010 because they couldn’t make it pay. I wonder what has changed since then?
Rosyth - Dunkirk had survived until 2018 (though switched in 2010 to freight only), only stopped by a fire on the ship that did the route.

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As far as I am aware DFDS has not committed to running anything to Rosyth and considering their current financial situation I seriously doubt they would be so reckless to invest in starting such a marginal route at this time, if anything I'd be worried if they did.
My main irk is why Dunkirk, Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek Van Holland would have been a much better option IMHO
 
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Rosyth - Dunkirk had survived until 2018 (though switched in 2010 to freight only), only stopped by a fire on the ship that did the route.

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My main irk is why Dunkirk, Ijmuiden or Rotterdam/Hoek Van Holland would have been a much better option IMHO
If Maersk had really wanted to, they could probably have scoured the world market and found a substitute vessel and kept it going in 2018; clearly they didn't feel it was worth the candle.

The selection of Dunkirk could be a matter of berth capacity at Ijmuiden. Maersk already serves Dunkirk from Dover so it might be the most convenient option. Also, for many haulage customers, having a common terminal on the Continent would be to their advantage as it would allow them to interwork road trailers between the two services. Possibly, also, Dunkirk has offered a more advantageous rate than the other ports.
I don't think DFDS serves Hoek any more so it would mean starting a new operation from scratch there.
 

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The Rosyth - Zeebrugge service stopped in 2010 because they couldn’t make it pay. I wonder what has changed since then?
Absolutely nothing since 2018 when the freight service stopped...

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I would wander and guess that on the former Dunkirk/Zebbruge iteration of that route, so it could do without a goods border control ppint.

Which Brexit added, now there needs to be a law allowing goods to be berthed at Rosyth and processed somewhere inland (bit like the new Holyhead border inland facility, though that only processes live and dangerous cargo)
But this route reopening (if it ever does) doesn't remove that requirement, the MSP is implying that it does remove barriers.
 

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Which Brexit added, now there needs to be a law allowing goods to be berthed at Rosyth and processed somewhere inland (bit like the new Holyhead border inland facility, though that only processes live and dangerous cargo)
You mean like one of the freeports that the last Conservative administration were so keen on?
 

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How many passengers would actually use a ferry taking 20 hours, port-to-port, rather than budget airlines taking a fraction of the time? Or alternatively, how many motorists would the service attract, if of course the service actually materialises and is not freight-only!
 

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Or alternatively, how many motorists would the service attract, if of course the service actually materialises and is not freight-only!
The main advantage of those ultra-long ferry journeys is for freight and families. I surely prefer a overnight ferry than 11h straight driving hours.

Britanny Ferries 21/32h runs from the UK/IE (Plymouth, Portsmouth and Rosslare) to Spain (Santander and Bilbao) are healthily used.

Google maps quotes me, via Roscoff (inc. ferry), a 17h straight drive from Plymouth to Santander, so the route would be sensibly used if past examples like that show up here.
 
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The main advantage of those ultra-long ferry journeys is for freight and families. I surely prefer a overnight ferry than 11h straight driving hours.

Britanny Ferries 21/32h runs from the UK/IE (Plymouth, Portsmouth and Rosslare) to Spain (Santander and Bilbao) are healthily used.

Google maps quotes me, via Roscoff (inc. ferry), a 17h straight drive from Plymouth to Santander, so the route would be sensibly used if past examples like that show up here.
However the Spanish examples given are the shortest (and only) sea routes directly between the countries they serve. Anyone from Scotland likely to use Rosyth could drive to Newcastle (2.5hrs away) or even Hull (5hrs) to get the ferries from there and save a few hours on crossing time without too horrendous a drive in traffic terms. The two examples aren't comparable in reality.

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How many passengers would actually use a ferry taking 20 hours, port-to-port, rather than budget airlines taking a fraction of the time? Or alternatively, how many motorists would the service attract, if of course the service actually materialises and is not freight-only!
I suspect not that many. There's a reason it wasn't financially viable previously.
 

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How many passengers would actually use a ferry taking 20 hours, port-to-port, rather than budget airlines taking a fraction of the time? Or alternatively, how many motorists would the service attract, if of course the service actually materialises and is not freight-only!
I'd imagine that, if it happens, it would be highly geared towards freight, and mostly unaccompanied trailers at that. If it does include a passenger element, it'll only be so that political PR purposes. People might like the idea that they can hop on a ferry to France, but how many actually will, especially in the depths of the winter gales? Can't imagine it would ever be a serious travel route.
 

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I'd imagine that, if it happens, it would be highly geared towards freight, and mostly unaccompanied trailers at that. If it does include a passenger element, it'll only be so that political PR purposes. People might like the idea that they can hop on a ferry to France, but how many actually will, especially in the depths of the winter gales? Can't imagine it would ever be a serious travel route.
Not that I'd be against travelling on such a passenger service, but it's a long journey - 20 hours in fact, plus the inevitable hanging around to board/disembark.

That's more than twice the amount of time it would take by car, train, plane, and even slower than a combination of buses.

Might be a novelty for people who like long ferry services, but can't see it becoming especially popular otherwise.
 

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Not that I'd be against travelling on such a passenger service, but it's a long journey - 20 hours in fact, plus the inevitable hanging around to board/disembark.

That's more than twice the amount of time it would take by car, train, plane, and even slower than a combination of buses.

Might be a novelty for people who like long ferry services, but can't see it becoming especially popular otherwise.
Or slower even than some of the ferry alternatives like the Newcastle-Amsterdam or Hull-Rotterdam routes.
 

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Or slower even than some of the ferry alternatives like the Newcastle-Amsterdam or Hull-Rotterdam routes.
Indeed, and while Dunkirk is nice, it's hardly competing with Amsterdam and Rotterdam on tourism. May be a useful connecting point for some but I can't see it really.
 
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