"Dry Trains" - alcohol not permitted

[crispy1978]

I was wondering if there is a list of regular dry trains anywhere?

Obviously, I appreciate that certain trains are designated as such for certain events - but some (for example 19:15 Whitby to Newcastle on Saturdays, Friday East Coast Aberdeen to Newcastle) seem to be pre-designated each time.

I am doing a rail rover tomorrow and probably going to pick up a few beers to have on the train, so wanted to know which trains I am and are not allowed to drink/carry alcohol on.

 

[michael769]

All Scotrail trains are dry between 9PM and 10AM.

 

[Anvil1984]

Solen from Transmanche on a previous thread

Every TfL service (LO/LU/DLR)
Every T&W Metro train
Every Scotrail train before 10am and after 9pm
21:18 (and now 1924) Newcastle-Carlisle on Saturdays
19:15 Whitby-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
19:27 & 20:28 York-Middlesbrough on Saturdays
Some late services to Barrow on Saturdays

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Valley lines north of Pontypridd are permanently dry I believe.

 

[DarloRich]

Really on an as and when the BTP see fit regime.

 

[crispy1978]

Thanks!

I'd picked up the Whitby to Middlesbrough one so that should be the only one which affects me unless anyone knows of any temporary ones applying tomorrow in that part of the country?

 

[SeanG]

T&W Metro services are dry, but try telling this to the 100s of Students from West Jesmond on any given night!

 

[NI 271]

Anything heading towards the Midlands or Euston out of Piccadilly on a day where United are away near either of those destinations.

 

[Drsatan]

I believe the 2021 from Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads on Saturday is a dry train. Trains to and from Cardiff Central are also dry if there's a big event at the Millennium Stadium.

 

[Lockwood]

London Overground

 

[AndyHudds]

They like to have dry trains when big football matches are on, but as for totally dry trains, not that I know off.

 

[ScottishIain]

The 0952 Aberdeen to London Kings Cross service is a dry train every Friday until after Newcastle. This is due to a number of complaints regarding anti social behaviour from passengers heading to Newcastle for stag/hen nights etc.

 

[Gwenllian2001]

Between Bargoed and Rhymney, theoretically.

 

[91111]

Unfortunately the 09.52 (1E15) from Aberdeen on a Friday is no longer a dry train. Last week was the last day of the trial. Rumours are it'll probably go back to being dry "around April time" which seems about silly. Today there were 3 groups in coach G with the drinks flowing and the music blasting.

 

[mullin]

Anything out of Southport of an evening is dry according to the Merseyrail staff there. When you explain that you're travelling with Northern and can enjoy a quiet drink they state the same rules apply throughout as they're the same company...

 

[pooliemag]

I believe that certain trains from Kings Cross back to Newcastle following Newcastle Utd away games in the London area are dry trains

 

[reb0118]

Anything out of Southport of an evening is dry according to the Merseyrail staff there. When you explain that you're travelling with Northern and can enjoy a quiet drink they state the same rules apply throughout as they're the same company...

Just a thought........

.....as Merseyrail run the station, does the drinks ban apply to their stations as well as their trains? If so, you may well be allowed to drink on the Northern train, but not allowed to take drink though the station to that train if you get my drift.

 

[wensley]

GC 2101 York - Sunderland every Saturday

 

[Andrew Nelson]

I should think anything in or out of Bradford today.

 

[CalderRail]

I should think anything in or out of Bradford today.

Correct. There was an announcement to that effect when I was at Tod station earlier (along with dozens of police).

 

[jopsuk]

East Coast/GC don't just go dry for Newcastle United, they'll do the same for other north east teams playing in London.

Which leads to police at the gatelines at Kings Cross asking everyone if they've got alcohol with them. When I've encountered this, I never have had, but what if I did but was catching an FCC (or FHT) service on which there was no ban? I'm guessing showing the cop a ticket to Cambridge should be enough.

 

[Poolie]

East Coast/GC don't just go dry for Newcastle United, they'll do the same for other north east teams playing in London.

And the way the Mighty Pools are playing, they'll have to include Hartlepool !!!!

 

[yorksrob]

All of the TOC's using Kings Cross have colluded to make all services out of that station on a Saturday night "dry " trains. Seems to me that TOC's are abusing the system.

 

[island]

All of the TOC's using Kings Cross have colluded to make all services out of that station on a Saturday night "dry " trains. Seems to me that TOC's are abusing the system.

Why do you think they're abusing the system? Surely the purpose of dry trains is to maintain public order where there is a risk of problems?

 

[yorksrob]

Why do you think they're abusing the system? Surely the purpose of dry trains is to maintain public order where there is a risk of problems?

Because we seem to be moving closer and closer towards blanket bans. I have no issue with particular trains being designsted dry fot particular reasons, but I‘m against blanket bans as they are a disproportionate overreaction to the risk.

 

[A-driver]

All of the TOC's using Kings Cross have colluded to make all services out of that station on a Saturday night "dry " trains. Seems to me that TOC's are abusing the system.

Really? Since when? None of the FCC trains are dry, even in match days, and many from about 2100 until the end of service are like hell on earth on a Friday and Saturday night with vomiting, fighting, abusive language, food fights, arguments etc pretty much all of it alcohol fuled. Plus problems with people mucking about with doors, hanging onto the side if trains as they depart, drunks pretending to jump infront of you as you drive into platforms etc.

 

[Murph]

I agree that any widespread use of the anti-alcohol byelaws are an abuse of something which was clearly intended for narrow and specific circumstances, such as football specials, and similar.

Those who are indifferent or support a wider use of these byelaws need to consider a few different circumstances. Would you be happy to be denied train travel on the way to a housewarming, dinner, or birthday where you had chosen to bring a nice bottle of something as a present? Would you be happy to be denied train travel returning from holiday with some duty free? Even if you are tee-total yourself, are you happy for ordinary decent (maybe even sober) people to be denied train travel for no good reason, because of something which they are quite legally carrying in their luggage?

Alcohol is legal and socially acceptable in this country, in addition to being highly profitable for our government, and I personally find it quite abhorrent for there to be anything remotely close to a blanket ban on carrying it on our transport systems. I have no issue with exceptional restrictions on individual services, but things like all evening trains, or ScotRail's 2100-1000 ban disgust me, and are entirely disproportionate.

 

[CC 72100]

I agree that any widespread use of the anti-alcohol byelaws are an abuse of something which was clearly intended for narrow and specific circumstances, such as football specials, and similar.

Those who are indifferent or support a wider use of these byelaws need to consider a few different circumstances..... I have no issue with exceptional restrictions on individual services, but things like all evening trains, or ScotRail's 2100-1000 ban disgust me, and are entirely disproportionate.

I thought we had established on here that is the actual consumption of alcohol that is the problem, and that you were allowed to have it on you, on 'dry trains', if they remained unopened whilst on railway premises?

While there is a certain problem with people getting hammered during their travels, it is worth remembering that the majority of drunks who cause problems on the railway are just as drunk when they enter the station as when they cause problems - it would seem that it is drunk people who then use the railway that are the issue, and that this is more common than people who drink when on the railway.

 

[A-driver]

I agree that any widespread use of the anti-alcohol byelaws are an abuse of something which was clearly intended for narrow and specific circumstances, such as football specials, and similar.

Those who are indifferent or support a wider use of these byelaws need to consider a few different circumstances. Would you be happy to be denied train travel on the way to a housewarming, dinner, or birthday where you had chosen to bring a nice bottle of something as a present? Would you be happy to be denied train travel returning from holiday with some duty free? Even if you are tee-total yourself, are you happy for ordinary decent (maybe even sober) people to be denied train travel for no good reason, because of something which they are quite legally carrying in their luggage?

Alcohol is legal and socially acceptable in this country, in addition to being highly profitable for our government, and I personally find it quite abhorrent for there to be anything remotely close to a blanket ban on carrying it on our transport systems. I have no issue with exceptional restrictions on individual services, but things like all evening trains, or ScotRail's 2100-1000 ban disgust me, and are entirely disproportionate.

There is no full alcohol ban anywhere which prevents you from taking sealed alcohol on a train. That is a myth which people keep trying to create on this forum.

Alcohol bans in the street and on trains etc relate to open containers and discretion IS used.

So if you turn up on a train with bags of shopping and there is a bottle of whiskey amongst the bread, milk, cheese and fish fingers in your tesco bags then you won't have any problems. Should you board a train after a football match wearing a football kit carrying a 4pack under your arm then you are less likely to have just been grocery shopping and they may well confiscate it from you. If you walk onto a scotrail train leaving Glasgow at midnight quite obviously drunk and swigging from a open beer can they may refuse you travel. Catching a dry train to a dinner party with a bottle if wine won't cause problems unless you are clearly drunk already. Or just stick it in a rucksack or handbag-unless you are travelling on a football train there won't be bag searches or anything.

Once again we see the great RailUK overreaction to a non existent issue!

 

[YorkshireBear]

Many late night trains end up covered in litter, some vomit, and others other bodily fluids. You can see why they want to make more trains dry trains in terms of heavy drinking on train, it takes a hell of a lot of cleaning. (based on my experience of late night, Hallam, Airedale, Wharfedale, Harrogate and North East (Newcastle etc) late night trains on Fridays & Saturdays)