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I've always been curious, as I don't know anyone who works in the industry.

Do drivers more or less rock up, pick the keys off a hook, do a couple of checks and start up? Or do they turn up well in advance, do planning & checks like a pilot would?

Equally at terminii, I'm aware there can be some pretty sharp turnarounds at Kings Cross . Is the driver having to go (for example) from Lynn to London to Lynn without a break, or would they have swapped drivers to pull that off?
 
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I've always been curious, as I don't know anyone who works in the industry.

Do drivers more or less rock up, pick the keys off a hook, do a couple of checks and start up? Or do they turn up well in advance, do planning & checks like a pilot would?

Equally at terminii, I'm aware there can be some pretty sharp turnarounds at Kings Cross . Is the driver having to go (for example) from Lynn to London to Lynn without a break, or would they have swapped drivers to pull that off?
In short no.

Firstly, you will probably have your own universal keys for traction.

Then the rest depends on what your job is, which is usually dictated by what time of day you start. I e early morning you might be prepping a unit, later on you are more likely to relieve another driver and at the end of the day dispose.

There will be local agreements about how long you can drive for. But not being rushed, taking time for personal needs such as toilet and enforced breaks are something a driver will ensure they do. This is to ensure they are well rested and can't be liable if something untoward happens i.e they blame the driver for not having sufficient rest.
 

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Basically from a passenger driving POV.

Shifts do have “planning” time when booking on before the train leaves. Usually around 20 mins. This is for collecting/checking notices, collecting your schedule card for the day and collecting your equipment (as it’s personal issue most drivers bring it with them or have it in their locker so its ready to pick up and go).

Drivers route knowledge is already in their head and trips are planned and timetabled so drivers don’t need to really plan much for the journey. Notices will alert you to anything that may be out of the ordinary.

Then it’s off to the train. Drivers may be based at a station or a depot. Station based drivers may head to a depot to start driving or take over a train at the station. Depot based drivers may also start at depot or station. At some locations this may be a simple walk or it could be a taxi trip.

If taking over a train at a station it’s usually a simple chat with the driver. They’ll tell you of any faults,unit quirks etc. There won’t be many checks to do as the train is set up.

If starting on a depot, depending on the location you may collect your train if depot staff prepared it or you may have to prepare it yourself (this will be on your schedule card). You check all external equipment, cab equipment and systems, emergency equipment etc. Preparing a train usually takes c30 mins.

Alternatively you might go to a different location/town altogether to start either travelling as a passenger on a train or in a taxi.

The rest of the day is simply following your schedule card which details the times you take over trains, get relieved, where to stop, where you will attach and detach trains etc. There will also be a break or breaks.

Once done and if the day has been uneventful you’ll simply go home. You may finish at a station or depot and give the train to someone else, or you may have to ‘stable’ it (shut it down). If at a location away from where you are based you may have a passenger ride or taxi back to your own depot.

It’s not unusual to step off the train and walk straight to the car park or your train home.

Regarding turnarounds. Sometimes the same driver may drive in and straight back out. Or a new driver might drive the outbound after arrival.

It depends on various factors such as how long you’ve driven to get there. If you’ve come 3hrs you’ll probably have a break before returning. Or if you’re based at the terminus and your shift ends another driver will take it out.
 
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I've always been curious, as I don't know anyone who works in the industry.

Do drivers more or less rock up, pick the keys off a hook, do a couple of checks and start up? Or do they turn up well in advance, do planning & checks like a pilot would?

Equally at terminii, I'm aware there can be some pretty sharp turnarounds at Kings Cross . Is the driver having to go (for example) from Lynn to London to Lynn without a break, or would they have swapped drivers to pull that off?
First and most importantly, arrive fit for work. So the prep starts they day before by getting enough sleep and then turning up the next day in a healthy state which obviously would include not under the influence of alcohol and having all the necessary equipment including wons and pons.

Different tocs book on in different ways but you will get your ‘diagram’ ‘docket’ ‘workings’ and check it thoroughly for mistakes, tractions you don’t sign, routes you don’t sign or maybe an unusual stopping pattern that could catch you out.

You would then check the noticed cases.

Check my pigeon hole.

I then mark up my diagram making highlighting any diversions or unusual stops, writing in red pen the coach length (as I drive 3 different length tractions so stopping points on platforms change)

Now the most important thing, sit down and have a brew! :lol:

I tend to arrive 30/40 mins before my book on time. This gives my time to adapt to any changes or even look over maps if needed if I know there is some issues on the network and I might need to do a shunt or drive a diversion I’ve not done in a while.

So this is all before I step on a train.

As regard checks, at my toc the train is prepared at a maintenance depot so we don’t necessarily need to do it, but I still like to walk through the train if it’s empty and locked out to make sure nothing was missed and everything works properly but most of the time I don’t get the opportunity for that.
 

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There’s probably no ‘typical’ but several common styles of day/diagram according to traffic type and even those traffic types can be mixed in passenger TOCs diagrams. The number of trains (by headcode) driven in a shift can vary from 1 to absolutely loads.

The only common features will be the times to book on and off (anywhere on the clock) and a break/PNB somewhere in the middle according to T&Cs.
 

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How detailed is the schedule card? Does it show passes, allowances, routing etc?

Depends on the company, Avanti show passing times for example but some are more detailed than others. In terms of train working mine are simplified to show PNB location, who I relieve and who I'm relieved by, headcode, station stops and the booked route is shown as a note. Some pathing stops are shown but not always. It also shows unit type and diagram number along with any action needed eg prepare/dispose/attach/detach/stable etc at the appropriate location.
 

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How do working hours tend to pan out when the the trains go to ****? Do drivers end up running out of hours at the wrong terminus and having to ride back ... or are the logistics of getting drivers home factored in - like by cancelling trains or turning them around early
 

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1 of the things often overlooked on these posts is you tend to prep the day before your shift. ie tomorrow if I was on a 3am start, id be getting up at 6am at the latest today to start switching sleeping pattern.

If I was on nights tomorrow, id be sat up all night tonight.
 

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How do working hours tend to pan out when the the trains go to ****? Do drivers end up running out of hours at the wrong terminus and having to ride back ... or are the logistics of getting drivers home factored in - like by cancelling trains or turning them around early
All can happen .
I know examples of people being stranded for 2 days before reaching home due to snow.
Goes without saying they were put in to hotels .
It was “Beast from the East” year type of winter in England / Wales.
 

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How do working hours tend to pan out when the the trains go to ****? Do drivers end up running out of hours at the wrong terminus and having to ride back ... or are the logistics of getting drivers home factored in - like by cancelling trains or turning them around early

Yes there is a lot of this. During major disruption, a key constraint on trying to reinstate trains and get back to the booked timetable is the extent that train crew are displaced from their booked locations, late for their booked PNBs (breaks), stock is in the wrong place for next working etc. If it's really really bad (e.g. line blocked for hours and hours, stranded trains and no possibility for relief), Hidden rules apply which might mean a max 12hr (12hr 30 in extreme circumstances and with a risk assessment) shift but that will probably mean covering (or cancelling jobs) the following day.

So yes cancelling trains / reforming trains / running fast / terminating short & starting early is all part of the service recovery toolkit.

There are generally agreements around making sure drivers end up at their right location for the end of duty, and it is towards the end of a diagram then you do have limits as to what service can be run. Delays are delays, and drivers sometimes do implicitly know if they are stuck on the running line on their last part of job that there's only so much that can be done until trains can get moving to a suitable location and overtime would be paid accordingly.
 

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Equally at terminii, I'm aware there can be some pretty sharp turnarounds at Kings Cross . Is the driver having to go (for example) from Lynn to London to Lynn without a break, or would they have swapped drivers to pull that off?
I can't speak for Kings Cross, but certainly other London termini on the Southern network have sub-10 min turnarounds, especially on the suburban services. For example taking a train out at 1029 arriving destination 1121, change ends and return to London at 1128 arriving there 1222. Change ends in London and back out 1229 arriving destination 1321, change ends and return to London at 1328 arriving there 1422. Almost four hours with minimal 7 min turnarounds, changing ends on trains up to 8/10 coaches with no on board toilets you could quickly nip in to while doing so. The slightly longer distance services are often more generous, maybe doing a 1.5hr trip into London, where you might have 12-15 mins to change ends before returning on another 1.5hr trip, on trains with on board toilets you can pop into while changing ends. Thankfully a lot of more modern suburban stock does have toilets, unlike the older Class 313 (and similar 508), 455 and 456 commuter stock they've replaced.
 
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I must admit I was always quite laid back. Many a time I’ve been delayed getting into work so just got the DTM to send my diagram to the station managers office so I could get straight to my train. The down side to that obviously is that I have not checked any late notices but most stuff in the last 10-15 years was already available on my work tablet. I always arrive in full uniform and take my work rucksack home so could get straight on the first train home so have everything I need. I don’t think I ever used a highlighter pen on my diagram in 27yrs up front as it wasn’t enforced like it is for new entrants with many operators today and i was never picked up on it. My priority was always having a coffee, stopping quickly to top up from the buffet crew on the way to the cab if necessary.

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1 of the things often overlooked on these posts is you tend to prep the day before your shift. ie tomorrow if I was on a 3am start, id be getting up at 6am at the latest today to start switching sleeping pattern.

If I was on nights tomorrow, id be sat up all night tonight.
You get used to it. Some days you go to work feeling like sh*t but that’s just life.
 

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Can't say I ever really give my next shift that much thought. If it's my day off, I am usually somewhere between 50 and 10000 miles away from my home. I will however of course plan my arrival time back home in line what shift I'm working next. If I'm on earlies, I'll be home the night before. If it's lates, then I'll get back in the morning usually from a trip. If it's nights, then I'll be back in the afternoon / early evening. I do of course check the weekly job allocations - but mainly for errors or personal-work life conflict!

We are all different when it comes to pre planning for a shift. Our bodies cope differently.

For me personally. I roughly know the start time the day before but I don't give it any more thought than that (except for personal circumstances such as childcare, trips abroad etc). On the day of booking on, I'll check a few hours earlier for the exact sign on time. I then plan my arrival into work for that exact time (sitting in the car waiting for my sign on time if early - that's my time). Then I sign on, have 10 minutes to read my notices/check emails, and then I either PASS on an ECS out the depot or work a train out the depot. Walking time for both is circa 15 minutes. All prep work of the units is carried out by maintenance staff - we are given 2 minutes to open up a driving cab.

For the rest of the day I just follow my diagram. Max 4 hours driving without access to a toilet facility. Minimum 7 minute turnaround. I check my stopping pattern for the journey concerned only when opening up the cab for that journey (important to note that we only have one traction type and I sign all routes applicable - and there are no diversionary options).

At the end of the day, it's key out and in the car within a few minutes.
 
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