Driver to guard buzzer

[cactustwirly]

Where does the second pair of eyes come from with closing?

Guard gives instruction to driver to close the doors, the Driver double checks that it's safe to close doors.

 

[221129]

Guard gives instruction to driver to close the doors, the Driver double checks that it's safe to close doors.

That's not how it works.

 

[cactustwirly]

That's not how it works.

Then how does it work?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Personally I think the best method of door operation is DCO, since it gives the guard a chance to finish revenue duties etc

Driver release, guard close also offers that, and is my favoured method of operation for most of the network.

There are also "odd" methods of operation you get elsewhere such as the guard dispatching but the driver controlling - the ten-bell system is a sort-of version of that, as is the radio system employed on the PKP IC FLIRTs.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Then how does it work?

The guard instructs the driver to close the doors (1-2 on the buzzer) then he presses the close button with no further check. The guard checks the doors are closed, closes the local door and gives 2 to signal departure.

 

[221129]

Then how does it work?

As it says. Guard gives 1-2, driver repeats and closes doors. Guard checks platform again, closes local door and gives driver 2, driver repeats and off the train goes.

 

[BestWestern]

Personally I think the best method of door operation is DCO, since it gives the guard a chance to finish revenue duties etc

Plenty from within the industry would suggest otherwise.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Plenty from within the industry would suggest otherwise.

Agreed. DCO is just DOO by the back door. The guard's primary concern should be the safety of the train and the passengers. Revenue is a secondary duty.

 

[cactustwirly]

Agreed. DCO is just DOO by the back door. The guard's primary concern should be the safety of the train and the passengers. Revenue is a secondary duty.

How is it DOO? The train still has to run with the guard, and the guard closes the doors.

 

[TEW]

How is it DOO? The train still has to run with the guard, and the guard closes the doors.

That's not DOO or DCO that you are describing. Whether the guard pushes the close door button, or the guard instructs the driver to, that is driver and guard operation. DCO is just a new name for DOO that is popular right now.

 

[BestWestern]

How is it DOO? The train still has to run with the guard, and the guard closes the doors.

You have your definitions wrong, I'm afraid. DCO is Driver in full control of doors and dispatch. The second staff member might as well be a cleaner.

 

[cactustwirly]

Then what do GWR use in their Bristol based turbos, or Virgin/XC on their Voyagers/Pendolinos?

 

[cjmillsnun]

That is the driver closing the doors under the instruction of the guard and is a form of conventional driver/guard operation

 

[TEW]

Then what do GWR use in their Bristol based turbos, or Virgin/XC on their Voyagers/Pendolinos?

Guard operation. The guard is still responsible for monitoring the PTI and instructs the driver to close the doors, and crucially the train cannot run without the guard. Who presses the button is irrelevant. Guards close the doors themselves on Bristol area Turbos anyway.

 

[philthetube]

LT 1938 stock also had bells, I believe the 'Right away' bell code on LUL was a single ding though.

That is correct and was the same for all guarded stocks

The bell did confirm that all doors were closed though as it would not operate otherwise.

LU did not use other bell codes therefore one bell was all that was needed.

 

[HowardGWR]

Definitely a bleep. And would definitely have been a 1-2 code. Unless it was a double set joining.

It was a buzz. What it sounds like outside or elsewhere in the cab i wouldn't know, but sat in the coach, they were buzzes.

 

[Kneedown]

It's because when they made the HST power car, they put a beeper unit in instead of a buzzer unit.

In the train it's a beep, but in the power car cab it was always a BT "Trimphone" sound. Some around the country may possiblyhave been modified to beeps, but all our of ours on EMT retaim the "Trimphone".

 

[E_Reeves]

It was a buzz. What it sounds like outside or elsewhere in the cab i wouldn't know, but sat in the coach, they were buzzes.

They are beeps I believe, but not like the ones you get on modern EMUS. They have quite a coarse sound to them, so I see how the could be called buzzes. I've found this:

Go to 2:03 and you'll hear them after the door hustler. I know it's a simulation but I think it sounds similar.

 

[pompeyfan]

Any idea what the 707s sounds like? Are they classic Desiro beeps? Or an evolution of? Im surprised 700s have bells, considering the governments aim is to NEVER have them operated by guards.

 

[Val3ntine]

Any idea what the 707s sounds like? Are they classic Desiro beeps? Or an evolution of? Im surprised 700s have bells, considering the governments aim is to NEVER have them operated by guards.

Similar to 450 but much louder. Yes I know louder than a 450!?! :0

 

[dk1]

They are beeps I believe, but not like the ones you get on modern EMUS. They have quite a coarse sound to them, so I see how the could be called buzzes. I've found this:

Go to 2:03 and you'll hear them after the door hustler. I know it's a simulation but I think it sounds similar.

What was the 166 doing at Penrith?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

What was the 166 doing at Penrith?

They did send a 165 to Glasgow once in the hope of getting a few orders for Scotland, but by that time other stock had already been purchased. One ScotRail manager at the time expressed annoyance that nobody had told them about these trains before they bought the ones they did!

So it's not unreasonable to have a Turbo passing through Penrith, even if it did only happen once in each direction!

 

[221129]

It was a buzz. What it sounds like outside or elsewhere in the cab i wouldn't know, but sat in the coach, they were buzzes.

From someone who travels on them everyday it is 100% a beep from anywhere in the train.

 

[rebmcr]

Personally I think the best method of door operation is DCO, since it gives the guard a chance to finish revenue duties etc

Plenty from within the industry would suggest otherwise.

I don't have an issue with DCO per se, but I do suspect that it is being used as a stepping stone to DOO, which is particularly unwelcome.