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Driver Route Learning - Scarborough and others

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PlexiDriver

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I heard recently that TPE drivers that sign Scarborough have to know the names of all 89 level crossings... how do you keep that in your brain?

But also it made me think what other parts of the route Learning experience have others found tough and what are their strategies to remember complex bits or just lots of different routes?
 
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I heard recently that TPE drivers that sign Scarborough have to know the names of all 89 level crossings... how do you keep that in your brain?

But also it made me think what other parts of the route Learning experience have others found tough and what are their strategies to remember complex bits or just lots of different routes?
No that's not strictly true, you will be expected to know all the "major" crossings, the smaller foot crossings can he reffered to from your maps if the occasion ever arose to know the name.
 

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No that's not strictly true, you will be expected to know all the "major" crossings, the smaller foot crossings can he reffered to from your maps if the occasion ever arose to know the name.
What counts as a major crossing? Just road ones?
 

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We have a similar issue here with the East Suffolk Line. So many crossings although several have closed. Drivers during training are expected to know all AHBs, MCBODs, ABCL, AOCL+B, MSL names as well as the UWGs that have telephone communication with Saxmundham box.
 

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While I can't speak for Transpennine, where I am we certainly had to know them all - whether road, occupation or foot - for our route assessments. Since qualifying, I have tended to just think the names as I go over them to try and keep them in my mind.
 

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If that’s all them drivers drive, I wouldn’t think it too hard to keep it in their head to be fair. I know every crossing between Chester and Holyhead, but many drivers don’t, I don’t know every crossing between Chester and Shrewsbury as I have other means to identify locations on that route. I also have a fair few other routes I’ve gotta be familiar with too, and things can get too confusing, like water street in Manchester or watery lane near Wolverhampton. If you have a few seconds to think, you’ll get it right sure, but if it’s because of an emergency call…. The brain works a bit differently, prioritising other things. Easily confused.

This is where things like Risk Triggered Commentary comes in handy, saying things aloud as you get there or even pretending you are on your pass out, or giving a lesson to a trainee, helps. It keeps you alert at the time and keeps things sharp in your mind. Especially when you regularly do multiple routes and sometimes only see one route every couple of moths.

There’s many ways to help keep sharp but it comes down to the person. Do they have great recall or do they need to keep on top of things. I come in the latter category so I put the effort in to remind myself and test myself all the time. Many of my colleagues are much better than I at that stuff but I have my own strengths in other areas of the job.
 

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Hey all,

Does anyone happen to know roughly how long you get as a qualified driver to learn traction and route? I'm going to York Depot

Thanks!
 

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You are obviously going to be given as long as you need, although there will be some expectations and a target set.

Why do you ask?
 

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You will be given a minimum number of trips to learn each route but if you need longer you can have longer. Some routes you'll be able to do 2 or 3 trips per day and others you might only get 1 depending on length/frequency etc.

The 802 course is around 12/13 days including static and 20 hours handling.
 

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You are obviously going to be given as long as you need, although there will be some expectations and a target set.

Why do you ask?
I'll be heading to York depot next year. I've never moved TOC before so I'm curious to find out.

You will be given a minimum number of trips to learn each route but if you need longer you can have longer. Some routes you'll be able to do 2 or 3 trips per day and others you might only get 1 depending on length/frequency etc.

The 802 course is around 12/13 days including static and 20 hours handling.
Oh I see. So not too much in terms of traction, but I'm assuming it's weeks not months in terms of route?
 
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I'll be heading to York depot next year. I've never moved TOC before so I'm curious to find out.


Oh I see. So not too much in terms of traction, but I'm assuming it's weeks not months in terms of route?
It’ll be months I’d imagine. As a conductor it was 5 weeks routes so I can only imagine it’s more for a driver
 

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Oh I see. So not too much in terms of traction, but I'm assuming it's weeks not months in terms of route?

It depends on what they want you to learn when you join but from experience you'll be looking at a couple of months at least. You will also learn 185s plus you'll visit the simulator and be put through a rules day.
 

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I'll be heading to York depot next year. I've never moved TOC before so I'm curious to find out.


Oh I see. So not too much in terms of traction, but I'm assuming it's weeks not months in terms of route?
When do you start?

I have been offered a Driver role pending medical/atoc form etc
 

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When do you start?

I have been offered a Driver role pending medical/atoc form etc
I start in March :) I have no idea what I'll be doing though - I assume they'll tell me then, but I'm very curious to know haha
 
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