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Holidaymakers have been hit by delays of up to 12 hours through Kent to get to the Port of Dover, with many being stuck in traffic overnight. Port authorities said delays built up due to French border checkpoints being understaffed overnight during heightened security levels. "Vast volumes of holiday traffic" were said to have compounded the problems. The port warned of road delays of five to 10 hours. Police are flying in water for stranded motorists by helicopter. P&O Ferries said there were estimated waiting times of up to 12 hours via the A20/M20, and up to three hours on the A2/A256, in addition to two hours at the port. Highways England warned of delays of up to 10 hours. "All traffic is being advised to use the M20/A20 as the A2 is at a standstill into the Port of Dover. With the summer getaway there are severe delays on the M2/A2, M20/A20 and at Round Hill tunnel," it said. Ian, who was among those stuck in the traffic, warned there could be fatalities if people did not get food and water. He said: "This is epic proportion and if someone doesn't take hold of this someone is going to die out here." The London-bound carriageway of the A20 was earlier closed to allow police motorbikes to deliver drinks, as temperatures soared. Water is being collected from the Coastguard base at Langdon, near Dover. Security checks at the Port of Dover were relaxed around lunchtime to help speed up the process of motorists through the port. But there are still long delays on the 12-mile stretch of the A20 near to Dover, with congestion on the M20 and M2, according to BBC Travel. Kent Police have advised travellers to pack food and water and consider making alternative travel arrangements.

Kent County Council said only three out of a potential seven booths had been available overnight at French border control. At one stage only one French officer was available to check passengers on hundreds of coaches, resulting in each coach taking 40 minutes to process, said the council. Ferry companies have said they will hold sailings to ensure people can travel and say those who miss their crossing because of the traffic will be put onto alternative crossings. P&O Ferries earlier refused to comment on reports some ferries had been leaving empty or with very few customers on board. The company said in a tweet: "Rest assured we'll get you on your way as soon as you pass the checks." Ferry operator DFDS Seaways said additional services had been added to help late-running customers. It said it would put delayed customers on the first available sailing free of charge at check-in. France has been under a state of emergency since last November, when terror attacks in Paris left 130 people dead and has tightened its border checks accordingly. The port said it raised concerns over French staffing levels with the UK government earlier this week, which was brought up with its French counterparts. No problems have been reported at other major ferry ports. There are no delays with Channel Tunnel services but people have been told it will take 90 minutes to check in due to extra security procedures. The BBC's Alexandra Mackenzie, on the M20 towards London, says there are 15 miles of mostly stationary traffic trying to get to Dover and that the M20 cannot be accessed between Dover and Folkestone.

Dover MP Charlie Elphicke said people caught in the chaos were owed an apology, blaming poor management and a lack of forward planning. "For Dover to once again be plunged into traffic chaos is completely unacceptable," he said. "The Department for Transport and Home Office knew there would be heightened security checks in place in France. They should have been prepared. They weren't." Local resident Bronwen Page said no one appeared to be taking overall responsibility for the situation. She said: "Listening to BBC Radio Kent, I was utterly disgusted at the response in our county. I went to my local supermarket and picked up 20 crates of water and handed out the water." Those stuck in the queues have been voicing their frustration. Jessica said: "We have moved about one-and-a-half miles in 11 hours, an absolute disgrace. "We have a three and four-year-old with us, I'm pregnant as well and still have some morning sickness and with people using the side of the road as a toilet the whole thing is really unpleasant."

Bill Murray, who has been stuck for 12 hours, described the situation as "shambolic". He tweeted: "Bosses of this shambles must resign. No help. One policeman on a bike an hour ago, failed to stop... Truly a third world response. Woeful." Sonia Tutt, 38, on her way to Germany with more than a dozen others in a convoy, said: "Everyone is out of their vehicles, kids are playing football." She added: "When we went to join the motorway there was no indication you were likely to be sitting here all night." Kris Mazur spent the night on the A20 and said he had moved about one mile in 10 hours. He said people were standing around at the edge of the road having picnics or sleeping in their cars. He added: "There has been no access to food or toilets. The motorway is still completely blocked."

Jack Donnelly from London said he had been stuck for more than seven hours. He said they had not been given much information and families with children were especially struggling with the heat. "People are helping each other out but the atmosphere is starting to get tense," he added. Dale Savage was caught in the delays for 12 hours en route to his brother's wedding. He said: "There are a lot of kids here, a lot of young children - a lot of people want to go on their holidays. "There are no real frustrations, the real problem was no one knew what was going on." He described a "camping spirit... very much like Glastonbury" but without a band to see at the end of it. However, Twitter user Lemonjelly earlier said the mood was changing. "The novelty is wearing off. A few hours ago you would see picnics and kids on rollerblades skating up the A20. Now a lot of overheated, glum faces." Sarah Rossin added: "We've got three kids and they are being ace but it's 31 degrees on the motorway." Earlier on Saturdayl, Suzanne Holland said she had finally checked in for the 08:30 crossing - 12 hours after arriving in Dover. "Anyone would be uncomfortable for that time especially with no information. Had we known we would have tried to sleep," she said.

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I wonder how bus operators are managing to run any sort of service in and around Dover amidst this chaos, including the Dover to Folkestone RRS? Presumably it's quicker to stick to the train and change at Canterbury East/West?
 

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I wonder how bus operators are managing to run any sort of service in and around Dover amidst this chaos, including the Dover to Folkestone RRS? Presumably it's quicker to stick to the train and change at Canterbury East/West?
The replacement bus from Folkestone to Dover hasn't been running. Passengers have been sent to Ashford - Canterbury West - Canterbury East - Dover. A shuttle bus service was running from West to East station. There was also disruption due to signalling problems at Ramsgate.
 

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It's not clear from the reports whether the staffing of the affected checkpoints is a French or UK responsibility. So does the blame for this lie with Paris or Whitehall?
 

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The old A20 (Folkestone Road) has been clear nearly all day. So RRB's should have been able to get through most of the day.

Most of the traffic is held back out of Dover on the A20. Traffic is still queuing back onto the M20 at its junction with the Channel Tunnel.


Saw this which I found quite amusing.
Police are advising local traffic going to Folkestone and Dover to use alternate roads – the more obscure the better.
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It's not clear from the reports whether the staffing of the affected checkpoints is a French or UK responsibility. So does the blame for this lie with Paris or Whitehall?


This is from the local who is due to be on the Dover Harbour Board, er board.
French Border Authorities have been operating at a heightened level of security. However, the French border control booths have been seriously understaffed overnight with only three booths available for tourists out of a potential seven.

At one stage, only one French officer was available to check passengers on hundreds of coaches, resulting in each coach taking 40 minutes to process.

The Port of Dover, which as you know, has no authority over French border operations, has raised concerns over French manning levels with the UK Government earlier this week and the Government, in turn, raised the issue with its French counterparts.
 

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If this carries on into the week, then if it backs onto the M20 too much, Operation Stack could end up being implemented
 

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If this carries on into the week, then if it backs onto the M20 too much, Operation Stack could end up being implemented

Could well be and that would be preferable to the current situation.

There have been serious concerns for the well being of people stuck in the gridlock for hours in extreme heat with inadequate food and water and the police and charitable organizations have been distributing water with many local shops and service stations having run out.

There is also the obvious problem of the lack of toilet facilities and Highways England haven't exactly covered themselves in glory once again.
 
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If this carries on into the week, then if it backs onto the M20 too much, Operation Stack could end up being implemented

Operation Stack can only be used for lorries apparently, which is why it hasn't implemented already.

The traffic cameras on the BBC website show the queue is currently only just outside Dover at the moment, much shorter than yesterday.
 
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I'd guess that most of traffic this weekend is holidaymakers in cars. Lorry traffic in this area reduces at weekends, most want to get out of France before the weekend driving ban.
 

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Operation Stack can only be used for lorries apparently, which is why it hasn't implemented already.

The traffic cameras on the BBC website show the queue is currently only just outside Dover at the moment, much shorter than yesterday.

Operation stack has always been for freight but there is no reason why something similar couldn't be implemented for other ferry traffic.

Clearly people have seen the chaos and stayed away although the queue may well build up as the day goes on.
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It could presumably be operated for lorries, with only cars allowed on the ferries, to clear the backlog?


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I can see that idea going down well with hauliers<(

In what is effectively a state of emergency, they may not be given a choice; peoples' wellbeing takes priority over non-perishable goods.

If the situation is ongoing there is then an argument for cancelling holiday traffic in favour of goods, but where the holiday traffic has already left home it needs to be cleared.
 

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Do any ferries go from Dover to Oostende (Belgium) any more - and if so, what right have the French authorities over traffic going that way?

Meanwhile, I wonder if this is what happens under "freedom of movement" what's it gonna be like when that's eroded away? I understand that even under Schengen, countries have the right to protect their borders if there's a (terrorist) threat, but me thinks there's more to this on the French side than simpy checking vehicles.

Pushing your weight around? How timely! Meanwhile, with the French being notorious for strikes, blockades, ATC restrictions etc, it's all backed up my master-plan of never, ever travelling through or over France if I can possibly avoid it - and avoiding travelling in Europe from mid-July to early September where tourists are the target for industrial action - and in Dover's case, sheer bloody-mindedness (it seems).

**Adds** Not heard of any such problems from Dublin or Rosslare to Cherbourg. Is it different if you're Irish, ie. no threat? Might even be a quicker way round fro Brits than spending hours at Dover!!
 
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Do any ferries go from Dover to Oostende (Belgium) any more - and if so, what right have the French authorities over traffic going that way?

Meanwhile, I wonder if this is what happens under "freedom of movement" what's it gonna be like when that's eroded away? I understand that even under Schengen, countries have the right to protect their borders if there's a (terrorist) threat, but me thinks there's more to this on the French side than simpy checking vehicles.

Pushing your weight around? How timely! Meanwhile, with the French being notorious for strikes, blockades, ATC restrictions etc, it's all backed up my master-plan of never, ever travelling through or over France if I can possibly avoid it - and avoiding travelling in Europe from mid-July to early September where tourists are the target for industrial action - and in Dover's case, sheer bloody-mindedness (it seems).

France is definitely a place to avoid at all costs especially this time of year.
They had people phoning up from their cars last night saying when they finally got to the check-point they were simply waved through. The reason they had been delayed was just the French withdrawing staff on the busiest weekend of the year.The talk of increased security was a very convenient excuse.Amazing how they have no or little security at the places where real terrorists are simply walking through untouched.
Of course the French have a very very long history of strikes go-slows etc. at the peak holiday times going back many many years, if they can bugger up the British they will.
 

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Of course the French have a very very long history of strikes go-slows etc. at the peak holiday times going back many many years, if they can bugger up the British they will.

With regards to the French attitude, why should British holidymakers bother trying to help the French economy?
 

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With regards to the French attitude, why should British holidymakers bother trying to help the French economy?

I don't - as far as I know; won't even drink French wine. Now THERE'S a sacrifice for you <D!!
 

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Do any ferries go from Dover to Oostende (Belgium) any more - and if so, what right have the French authorities over traffic going that way?

There are no ferries from Dover to Oostende any more. Otherwise French passport control in Dover presumably wouldn't be possible. Having the two passport controls together is normally a convenience as it means you can drive straight into France.
 

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Do any ferries go from Dover to Oostende (Belgium) any more - and if so, what right have the French authorities over traffic going that way?

No, there have been no ferry services from Dover to Belgium for many years now. The Europa Ferries service that operated from Ramsgate to Ostende also stopped about 2-3 years ago.

The only alternative routing for cars from south-east England to the continent (apart from the Channel Tunnel) is the DFDS service from Dover to Dunkerque. There is also the freight-only Tilbury-Zeebrugge ferry for trucks only.
 

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**Adds** Not heard of any such problems from Dublin or Rosslare to Cherbourg. Is it different if you're Irish, ie. no threat? Might even be a quicker way round fro Brits than spending hours at Dover!!

But there are no French passport controls in Ireland. Newhaven to Dieppe is running OK too. There are no French passport controls in Newhaven.
 

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Well; you will not find british beer in the Netherlands.
Oh yes you will. Bloody Boddingtons - last time I was there anyway! TBH no idea whether it was brewed here and exported, or brewed there under licence. Anyway, the barman twisted my arm to have a trappist beer instead. Took some persuading that....
 

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The delays are down to volume of traffic. Dover being the busiest port.

We've actually been very lucky that the French port workers or whoever hadn't found a reason to go on strike. Then there would have been chaos!
 
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I know about the cars and lorries. The shuttle seems also to be affected, but what about the Eurostar?
 

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In what is effectively a state of emergency, they may not be given a choice; peoples' wellbeing takes priority over non-perishable goods.

If the situation is ongoing there is then an argument for cancelling holiday traffic in favour of goods, but where the holiday traffic has already left home it needs to be cleared.

Holiday traffic is non essential. The passage of goods could include things such as medical supplies or perishable goods and would be more urgent along with people who are returning home.
In a state of emergency it is the holiday traffic, including those already queuing who should be sent home.
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I know about the cars and lorries. The shuttle seems also to be affected, but what about the Eurostar?

E* operates airline type security anyway and is probably less affected
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Pushing your weight around? How timely! Meanwhile, with the French being notorious for strikes, blockades, ATC restrictions etc, it's all backed up my master-plan of never, ever travelling through or over France if I can possibly avoid it - and avoiding travelling in Europe from mid-July to early September where tourists are the target for industrial action - and in Dover's case, sheer bloody-mindedness (it seems).

**Adds** Not heard of any such problems from Dublin or Rosslare to Cherbourg. Is it different if you're Irish, ie. no threat? Might even be a quicker way round fro Brits than spending hours at Dover!!

Considering only the Chunnel and Dover are the only British ports with French border controls and are the busiest by a long way. I can understand there not being any problems elsewhere. Also France have had terrorist attacks in the last two weeks so have declared a state of emergency (quite reasonably). This is the reason for the delay. It is not a reaction to Brexit
 

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The Eurostar terminals at St Pancras, Ebbsfleet and Ashford also have French border control agents, but they seem to be running OK?

They're normally super fast in my experience, as they don't scan every passport like the UK Border Force does nor extensively question non-EU nationals. Perhaps they've started doing this in the wake of recent events? Although from what I've heard this isn't the case.
 
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Question is whether there are also extended controls at Belgium and German borders. Especially with Belgium it is impossible to have 100 % coverage.
 

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Also France have had terrorist attacks in the last two weeks so have declared a state of emergency (quite reasonably). This is the reason for the delay. It is not a reaction to Brexit

It's perfectly reasonable to expect problems after the state of emergency was introduced in France, the question is, of course, are the other countries bordering France being treated in the same manner or is it a handy way for Hollande to show his displeasure at the referendum result?
 
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