Double-Decker carriages

[Vulcan]

haha they site has some great pics

I like the 'octogronk', the 8 wheeled 08. Have you seen that one yet? The guy is an absolute photoshop wizard. I wish I was that good with it.

 

[RobShipway]

It would make sense for HS2 and any new lines to be built to take bigger/taller trains. I am sure that would automatically be the case.

Do they have double deck loading anywhere else in the world?

I suppose, you also have to consider that extra weight a double deck train would have as I don't think a DD train would be able to go across the Forth Bridge?

 

[Drsatan]

I suppose, you also have to consider that extra weight a double deck train would have as I don't think a DD train would be able to go across the Forth Bridge?

The Forth Bridge's RA 8 so any train can use it; not sure about clearance though.

 

[LMS6202]

There wasn't, but here is what it might have looked like if there was a few years ago...

http://fictitiousliveries.fotopic.net/p28196784.html

a work of photoshopping genius, as always from this site.

Looking at the photoshopped image here makes me think it would be perfectly possible to have a train like this in operation for long distance services. After all the Japanese have DD cars in some of their trains on a 3'6" railway system. The cars may be a bit cramped but seeing this doctored image, if true to scale, the cars don't look over high to me.

 

[royaloak]

Its not the track gauge that is the problem, its the height of bridges etc which is the problem, and those wont fit.
This explains it better-
http://www.btinternet.com/~joyce.whitchurch/gauges/text.htm

 

[LMS6202]

Its not the track gauge that is the problem, its the height of bridges etc which is the problem, and those wont fit.

Now you have me puzzled Sir. I distinctly remember BR went all over the place measuring and gauging things prior to new OHL installations for clearances. Where bridges were to tight they were replaced and I think some tunnel floors were lowered so that there was a clear 16ft from rail to wire. I should think you could get a DD car under that. I do remember seeing [forget where] a DD car design that gave 6ft headroom on each deck.

 

[subway156]

I found this while surfing along and this turned up.

 

[90019]

That looks very similar to one of the early designs from eastern europe, which were also articulated and usually had 4 coaches per set with a cab car as well, like this;

 

[subway156]

I believe the picture I posted is French.

 

[90019]

I believe the picture I posted is French.

It does look like an old faded SNCF logo on the side of it, now i look closer at it.

 

[subway156]

It does look like an old faded SNCF logo on the side of it, now i look closer at it.

Builr in 1933-4 by Brissonneau et Lotz (now Alstom) for Chemin deFer (Seurde) de l'ETAT. They were taken out of service in 1984. These were photographed at Richelieu.

 

[dan_atki]

Wafflefest removed. Well done to those who kept on topic in the meantime.

 

[Wyvern]

Sorry to bump an old thread but Youtube has two newsreels about the 4DDs.

Apparently some of the complaints were from lower seat passengers smelling the feet of those above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22FWR3MmBIg

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evWtXSuMGvY&feature=related

 

[transportphoto]

They would work on 3rdRail and on routes with no tunnels - no low station buildings and with no overhead wires on sections with both types of supply!

 

[talltim]

It is a bit ironic that the UKs rail network is too small (in loading gauge) for DD trains yet we are one of the main users of double deck buses and I think only here and Hong Kong had double decked trams (I'm sure I'm probably wrong)

 

[Ivo]

It is a bit ironic that the UKs rail network is too small (in loading gauge) for DD trains yet we are one of the main users of double deck buses and I think only here and Hong Kong had double decked trams (I'm sure I'm probably wrong)

Uh... Sorry about this, but you are wrong. Double-decker trams can also be found in the Egyptian city of Alexandria. Heritage routes aside though, it is the only other example currently operational.

 

[90019]

yet we are one of the main users of double deck buses

I wouldn't say this is really the case.

 

[gordonthemoron]

aren't UK station platforms too high for double decker trains?

 

[jopsuk]

No, there's systems worldwide with "high" platforms that use double decker carriages. Sydney is a good example-the double decker stock used there has vestibules over the bogies with steps up and down to the main cabins- like so.

 

[poshbakerloo]

For the UK to have double decker train they would need to have low floors for there to be enough room above! But really I'm glad we don't have any, as pretty much all of them train, except for the TGV Duplex, most look awful!

 

[gordonthemoron]

DB (and Metronom) ones look fine from the outside, and pretty good from the inside. They're just a bit claustrophobic and there's no space for luggage

 

[starrymarkb]

Our Platforms stick out more, Continental stuff can be full width almost to rail level, we have to pinch in at the sides for our platforms.

 

[Vulcan]

Our Platforms stick out more, Continental stuff can be full width almost to rail level, we have to pinch in at the sides for our platforms.

I don't think they actually are, when you look at a train front on, parts of the undercarriage often sticks out to full body width. Nor do our trains hang over the platform edge.

 

[starrymarkb]

http://www.btinternet.com/~joyce.whitchurch/gauges/text.htm

Compare with Berne Gauge and you'll see what I mean

 

[Vulcan]

I see what your getting at, but I don't think the train body hangs over the edge of the platform.
i refer you to this photo, from www.therailwaycentre.com. http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Main photo file/66_5mod_fe The 66 is only very slightly thinner at the bottom then the top, and in the middle I think the fuel tanks stick out as wide as the body (judging by a Bachmann OO Model I have here)