Doors opened with carriages off the platform

[SF-02]

It's pretty common that a driver won't be on the monitors all the time out of the thousands of stops they do annually. Not a problem provided dispatch is still safe.

What I am trying to work through is that you say the doors were opened for just 5 seconds. That's unlikely even if the driver stayed in their seat and was on internal DOO monitors. I'm working through in my head the actions of the driver to be out on the platform carrying out their duties and I think you need to multiply the 5 seconds a few times. It shows how the perceptions of passengers can be quite wrong sometimes. Time being a common one.

I thought the 5 second thing would be picked up. It was very quick[/I]. The rushing was probably the strangest thing about the whole incident. The doors opened as he rushed out the cab, so he must have pressed whilst leaving, legged it to the monitors a couple of metres behind but was mainly looking down the platform, spun around and ran back on and the doors closed immediately. I'm not sure if everyone made it on (long platform and entrance hard to see) as it was so quick and the whole incident seemed so bizarre it stuck in my head. I don't think the train was even that late - maybe 2 minutes.

Not that is was a big problem as frequencies are high. It just seemed to contravene the rules on the modern railway.

 

[Carlisle]

I had a similar incident a year ago at Reading. I was on a Paddington-Oxford semi-fast formed of a 166 & 165. The driver I think mistook the platform number for the stop sign and released the doors as normal, however platform staff spotted it, people still jumped down from the rear doors onto the ground though.

With Southeastern, the 375s have GPS SDO and this rarely malfunctions, on non-DOO services the driver still releases the doors but the guard closes them in my experience. From what I've heard the 465/466 don't have a reliable or automatic SDO system on them.

some years ago I noticed quite a large board somewhere near the signal posts at the exit to Charing Cross station saying NETWORKER SDO then a number which I can't recall , does anyone know what this meant , was it some kind of SDO system that was planned or used previously on these units as its been explained here networkers don't have any SDO fitted ?

 

[Mintona]

Networkers do have a type of basic SDO fitted - it is possible to open either all doors, all doors except those on the front coach, or all doors except those on the rear coach. In practice, the second two options are rarely, if ever, used.

 

[Carlisle]

Thanks very much for explaining things

 

[A-driver]

Networkers do have a type of basic SDO fitted - it is possible to open either all doors, all doors except those on the front coach, or all doors except those on the rear coach. In practice, the second two options are rarely, if ever, used.

Or only the doors in the front coach. Very useful on the early morning staff trains when you don't want the drunks left over from the night before getting on.

 

[Muzer]

It could have been driver error - but it could also have been failure of the SDO, or even poor placement of the mirrors/cameras/whatever was at this station so that it's impossible to see exactly whether or not the train is fully on the platform.


While I can see both sides of the argument, I think for these reasons it should be reported.

EDIT: After reading the rest of the thread, I see now that it has. Best decision IMHO.
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It may not be as daft as it seems. In London, before privatisation, lots of buses going to and from their garage would operate in service - either as short journeys, or running off the normal line of route. Nowadays they operate as out of service.

So yes, it can be quite frustrating when you see a bus depart the terminus out of service, when you know it's going past your stop en route to the garage.

In Southampton, when taking Unilink buses out of service in the evening and then again at the end of service, the U1 (the main bus route) route extends to Eastleigh (which is, I believe, where the depot is) for no extra cost - nice touch, in my opinion.

 

[Deerfold]

In Southampton, when taking Unilink buses out of service in the evening and then again at the end of service, the U1 (the main bus route) route extends to Eastleigh (which is, I believe, where the depot is) for no extra cost - nice touch, in my opinion.

And means the bus company can claim BSOG for all the mileage they run.

 

[TEW]

Are they? Off-peak services via Greenwich are primarily the Cannon Street to Cannon Street services which tend to be Networkers IME. The Electrostars show up more on the Charing Cross to Gillingham semi-fasts via Lewisham and Woolwich Arsenal.

Looking at the diagrams it's a fairly even mix of 376s and 465s via Greenwich. On Weekends the majority of services are 465s, but very few 376s are used at Weekends at all.

 

[rick9525]

Did this happen much in the days of slam doors? Did passengers often just jump out when they weren't at a station?

I was once on an Intercity train stopped at a red signal at Deansgate and someone jumped off thinking it was Picadilly. The guard shouted and they jumped back on before we moved off.

 

[PG]

And means the bus company can claim BSOG for all the mileage they run.

I get the impression that this is just a bonus for passengers since they'd be able to claim BSOG anyway for vehicles running out of service provided the next journey that vehicle made was one that qualified for BSOG.

The grant is paid on all eligible mileage, including mileage for moving buses between eligible contracts

 

[Carlisle]

I was once on an Intercity train stopped at a red signal at Deansgate and someone jumped off thinking it was Picadilly. The guard shouted and they jumped back on before we moved off.

About 10 years ago I boarded a slam door unit at clapham junction along with a fair few drunk guys who when they realised it was not booked to stop at Horley ,pulled the chord roughly where they thought it was and all jumped off and ran across the tracks ,I suppose whilst not common this type of thing did happen from time to time especially late at night

 

[BestWestern]

I was once on an Intercity train stopped at a red signal at Deansgate and someone jumped off thinking it was Picadilly. The guard shouted and they jumped back on before we moved off.

About 10 years ago I boarded a slam door unit at clapham junction along with a fair few drunk guys who when they realised it was not booked to stop at Horley ,pulled the chord roughly where they thought it was and all jumped off and ran across the tracks ,I suppose whilst not common this type of thing did happen from time to time

Very common. Also commonplace was for people on 12 car Slammers out of Waterloo in the evening crush to jump out of the rear coaches at short platforms and walk along the cess, having been unable (or unwilling) to get past the crowds into the right portion of the train. Guards would remind them to shut the doors on their way off, wait until they'd all reached the platform and ding ding