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Doncaster Sheffield Airport to reopen?

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SO, why does the government keep on giving verbal support to this?? It seems bizarre- an experienced old-stager like Heidi Alexander should know better. Maybe it's thought to be a vote-winner as a deportation centre?
Partly because Doncaster has a Reform dominated council and just up the road North Lincs and Humberside have elected Reform mayors and there are more local elections next year.

The constituencies covering Doncaster (and one is Ed Milliband’s) are first order Reform targets so the government will do anything to try to keep them Labour…
 
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Maybe it's thought to be a vote-winner as a deportation centre?

Exactly that last statement, votes. Labour are offering vocal (but not financial) support to it because they know Reform are closing in on them, especially in places like Doncaster. So it would be terrible optics for them to suddenly turn around and say perhaps it's not such a good use of Doncaster's share of the Gainshare funds granted to them. And Doncaster Council has convinced themselves that opening DSA will suddenly see a flood of overseas investment as rich businessmen & businesswomen fly into to Doncaster on wide bodied flights from around the globe carrying big bags of money to spend in Donny....

Partly because Doncaster has a Reform dominated council and just up the road North Lincs and Humberside have elected Reform mayors and there are more local elections next year.

The constituencies covering Doncaster (and one is Ed Milliband’s) are first order Reform targets so the government will do anything to try to keep them Labour…

Absolutely, it's all about votes. They're simply trying to copy the success that a certain B Houchen has had a few hours up the A1 on Teesside with using another money pit airport as a flagship project to help rally local support. Crackers of course as it's just throwing good taxpayer money down the drain. But it has certainly worked well for him and I'm sure they're hoping that the same will happen for them.
 

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The Council website now advertises for Air Traffic Controllers, interestingly this time they want people with radar qualifications (previously the onsite crew only manned the Tower), and this is backed up by the recent additions on the CAA Airspace Change portal.

The salary band is £55-65k per year. This, I am reliably informed, is very low for qualified ATCOs. One does wonder whether they are targeting the Humberside controllers in an attempt to cause problems there? Either way it’s an employees market for Air Traffic Controllers at the moment due to a shortage of qualified staff. I imagine there may be a small pool of people local to the airport who want the convenience of working there, but u think they might struggle to cover all shifts. Full cover including training and experience will I suspect be a pre-requisite for licensing to handle commercial air transport.

Another example of how resource heavy starting and running an airport is, and for what? So people might choose it to go on holiday?
 

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I imagine there may be a small pool of people local to the airport who want the convenience of working there, but u think they might struggle to cover all shifts.
If I was an ATC at Humberside, Leeds or East Midlands I reckon the money would have to be very very good for me to want to leave secure employ there for the insecurity of Doncaster! Even if I lived within walking distance of Doncaster tower!
 

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The Council website now advertises for Air Traffic Controllers, interestingly this time they want people with radar qualifications (previously the onsite crew only manned the Tower), and this is backed up by the recent additions on the CAA Airspace Change portal.

The salary band is £55-65k per year. This, I am reliably informed, is very low for qualified ATCOs. One does wonder whether they are targeting the Humberside controllers in an attempt to cause problems there? Either way it’s an employees market for Air Traffic Controllers at the moment due to a shortage of qualified staff. I imagine there may be a small pool of people local to the airport who want the convenience of working there, but u think they might struggle to cover all shifts. Full cover including training and experience will I suspect be a pre-requisite for licensing to handle commercial air transport.

Another example of how resource heavy starting and running an airport is, and for what? So people might choose it to go on holiday?
The average NATS salary for ATCs is £97k, to give an idea. They pay experienced ATCs up to £122k, so DSA will struggle to attract at £55-65k.
 
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Well clearly not which is why it failed before and has been the whole point of being against reopening it. Unless it receives significant private sector backing it’s a non-starter.

Why is it so convenient to ignore its previous 17 years of operational history with a long list of airlines that couldn’t make it work?
I'm not talking about the economics of commercial aviation, i'm talking about local support for an airport here.
Not according to the airlines though, several gave DSA a go and couldn't make it work. No profits is a major disincentive for airlines, which is why the place closed in the first place. And nothing has changed since, there just isn't going to be enough demand for DSA as an additional airport now. Within an hour and half or so drive of DSA are East Midlands (around an hour's drive away*), Leeds Bradford (1 hour 30 mins drive*) and Manchester (1 hour 40 mins* away). All of these airports carry the routes that DSA used to, and many more besides.

I know people local to Doncaster want "their" airport to save on some of this driving time, but aviation is a cut throat business, it's not like building and operating a bus station. You can't just re-open it and ask airlines to divert a few flights to it. It has to make money for both the airport operator, and more importantly make money for the airlines. And history has shown that it didn't, and likely won't again.

(*Based on Google Maps estimates at the time of posting.)
You have a decent point re Manchester, but trans-Pennine transport links GM to South Yorks are still unreliable enough to disincentivise some from using MAN.
I have made my thoughts known on the ****e LBA transport links and likelihood of improvement.
EMA has decent links, although it depends where in S Yorks you're coming from, and the public transport links are much weaker (although not appalling).
Humberside has the potential to be a decent solution for S Yorks if a lot of investment went into it, but I don't think the current goblin at the helm of the Greater Lincolnshire mayoralty will be willing to contribute (given the manifesto promises and the implications for any investment plans of those promises!)

For the record, I don't think DSA will work long term without an aerospace or civilian aviation manufacturing based company operating alongside passenger flights, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 

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Controllers at DSA will be largely kept busy just authorising permissions to enter controlled airspace.
 

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I'm not talking about the economics of commercial aviation, i'm talking about local support for an airport here.

You have a decent point re Manchester, but trans-Pennine transport links GM to South Yorks are still unreliable enough to disincentivise some from using MAN.
I have made my thoughts known on the ****e LBA transport links and likelihood of improvement.
EMA has decent links, although it depends where in S Yorks you're coming from, and the public transport links are much weaker (although not appalling).
Humberside has the potential to be a decent solution for S Yorks if a lot of investment went into it, but I don't think the current goblin at the helm of the Greater Lincolnshire mayoralty will be willing to contribute (given the manifesto promises and the implications for any investment plans of those promises!)

For the record, I don't think DSA will work long term without an aerospace or civilian aviation manufacturing based company operating alongside passenger flights, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The economics of commercial aviation is critical to this. Local support in the way used to describe those who might use DSA once a year for a bucket and spade flight is irrelevant in the real world (and especially where every single ‘local’ already has at least two other viable and long established airports within 90mins that all the conceivable airlines already fly from). It’s not how airlines decide where to fly from.

People who won’t use MAN from S Yorks will just go to EMA, LBA or maybe even BHX (only 90 mins from Sheffield), there’s no need for another airport. Airlines don’t care about your journey to an airport other than that you’re prepared to make it, which people from S Yorks clearly are to any of the alternatives.

Again, most people using regional airports don’t use public transport as the flights either take off or land very early or very late. And no sane manufacturer requiring a commercial standard runway is going to invest in a new version of an airport that failed financially previously.
 
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As others have said, local ‘support’ is meaningless when they didn’t show up in strong numbers previously. I fail to see how they’ll simply get lucky next time.

I have a problem with SYMCA and CDC saying it could be the home of advanced aviation manufacturing. Why who? Airbus? Boeing have a facility on the old Sheffield City Airport runway which kinda proves the point that they don’t need an airport to locate somewhere. However the problem is they want to appeal to an industry that doesn’t exist. The success of this airport, therefore, is based on things that simply don’t exist. They can’t make them exist, and it’s another reason the business case is fundamentally flawed.
 

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I have a problem with SYMCA and CDC saying it could be the home of advanced aviation manufacturing. Why who? Airbus?
I don't think Airbus is interested in moving from Broughton particularly, I was thinking that a startup like Wright Aviation, or perhaps Zero Avia if they ever "hit cruising altitude" (to steal a catchphrase from a certain travel YouTuber).
However the problem is they want to appeal to an industry that doesn’t exist.
I'm not sure that we can say that. Both commercial and military aviation manufacturing are growing sectors, and DSA is the pet project of a regional branch of the governing party. So anything could happen.
 

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I don't think Airbus is interested in moving from Broughton particularly, I was thinking that a startup like Wright Aviation, or perhaps Zero Avia if they ever "hit cruising altitude" (to steal a catchphrase from a certain travel YouTuber).

I'm not sure that we can say that. Both commercial and military aviation manufacturing are growing sectors, and DSA is the pet project of a regional branch of the governing party. So anything could happen.
We're clutching at straws again. Miltary aviation manufacturing has absolutely no interest whatsoever in operating from commercial passenger airfields, for reasons that should be obvious.

Wright Aviation operate as a pilot training provider, with trainees requiring their own airframes, which doesn't mix happily with routine commercial passenger flights coming and going, especially in the quantity that DSA needs to even remotely wash its face. Zero Avia are happily based at Kemble, which suits their needs better anyway and gives more options for test flying etc. If either wanted a northern base then Leeds East would actually be a much better fit for both.
 
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I don't think Airbus is interested in moving from Broughton particularly, I was thinking that a startup like Wright Aviation, or perhaps Zero Avia if they ever "hit cruising altitude" (to steal a catchphrase from a certain travel YouTuber).

I'm not sure that we can say that. Both commercial and military aviation manufacturing are growing sectors, and DSA is the pet project of a regional branch of the governing party. So anything could happen.
You’ve proven my point. If aviation manufacturing in this country needs airfields then why have BAe Systems seen fit to sell Filton, Brough and Woodford airfields off for redevelopment in recent years? Growth is in component manufacturing and airfields aren’t required for this.

As for the Government support, it’s quite easy to say warm words, they’ve injected nothing into it financially.
 

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You’ve proven my point. If aviation manufacturing in this country needs airfields then why have BAe Systems seen fit to sell Filton, Brough and Woodford airfields off for redevelopment in recent years? Growth is in component manufacturing and airfields aren’t required for this.

As for the Government support, it’s quite easy to say warm words, they’ve injected nothing into it financially.
BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
 

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BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
If you're relying on people being cajoled into using DSA to keep it afloat, that suggests it's not a viable proposition.
 

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If you're relying on people being cajoled into using DSA to keep it afloat, that suggests it's not a viable proposition.
Indeed, all this is a bit of grasping at straws. As things stand DSA is simply not going to be viable unless something drastic changes, so it's going to be a choice of let it go once and for all, or have Donny council tax payers subsidise for the foreseeable future.
 

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BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
It is wise to stop flogging a dead horse.
 

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BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
Really? So who are the ‘other players in the game’? Sorry but it’s laughable for you to then say we shouldn’t go too deep into this topic, if the information is in the public domain then there is no risk of espionage on a railway forum. Anyway the secret squirrel stuff that BAe are involved in (because they are the only large scale military aircraft manufacturer in the U.K.), well those platforms are not and have never been built and flown in the U.K. for obvious reasons.

Like everyone else has said, you’re just clutching at straws now. It’s what this whole thing is based on, just make up a non existent industry that’s crying out for a failed airport to reopen and then you can justify lots of public money going into it. Not only do I not believe the U.K. Government will support it financially, I think the autumn budget will open up more financial challenges to people who DSA would need to make it viable. I work for an airline that is having to reforecast based on a drop in demand over the last year or so, every airline is in the same position. Now is not the time to open an airport, certainly not one that failed miserably in objectively more prosperous times.
 

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BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
I’m sorry but this is ridiculous. To repeat yet again, military firms requiring a runway of any description have no interest at all, that’s absolutely none, in operating from commercial passenger airports… please stop this nonsense.
 

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Sad to see Eastern Airways filed a notice of intention to appoint an administrator this morning thus losing Humberside and Teesside some of their few flights.

Message from TPE tonight says:
TransPennine Express, LNER, Northern and ScotRail will offer free Standard Class travel to affected Eastern Airways staff and customers on Tuesday 28 and Wednesday 29 October 2025. Station staff will facilitate travel for those affected on reasonable routes to complete their journeys.

To access this support, affected individuals should present either an Eastern Airways employee ID, boarding pass, or flight confirmation to station staff.

Good railway industry action.

Such news reinforces views on the difficulty likely to be being encountered in attracting business to smaller airports.
 

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Sad to see Eastern Airways filed a notice of intention to appoint an administrator this morning thus losing Humberside and Teesside some of their few flights.

Message from TPE tonight says:


Good railway industry action.

Such news reinforces views on the difficulty likely to be being encountered in attracting business to smaller airports.
They operate quite a few of KLM's feeder flights as well.
 

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A critical week ahead in Doncaster. From the Doncaster Free Press;

Doncaster Sheffield Airport: Politicans urged to unite over re-opening; https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/politics/doncaster-sheffield-airport-politicans-urged-to-unite-over-re-opening-5407014By Darren BurkePublished 18th Nov 2025, 12:17 GMT​

Doncaster daily bulletin November 17: Darren Burke with the headlines


Politicians across Doncaster’s political spectrum are being urged to unite to back the re-opening of Doncaster Sheffield Airport, with city business chiefs calling on Conservative, Labour and Reform UK leaders to come together over the plan.
In an open letter to Labour Mayor Ros Jones, Doncaster Conservative group leader Coun Steve Cox and Reform UK Doncaster leader Coun Guy Aston, a consortium of local business leaders have called for parties to put differences to one side and agree to vital funding which is essential to seeing the airport take off.
The letter, in full, reads: “We are writing to you jointly because, on the 27th of November, Doncaster Council has a once in a generation decision to make.

"The decision about accepting, from the South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority, the funds necessary to facilitate the reopening of Doncaster Sheffield Airport will, for years ahead, define Doncaster and the region’s approach to economic development, its appetite for risk, and scale of ambition.
https://www.annsummers.com/nightwea...doll/DESIRES-AT-DUSK-CROTCHLESS-BABYDOLL.html
Conservative, Labour and Reform UK politicians are being urged to come together and work to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport.

Conservative, Labour and Reform UK politicians are being urged to come together and work to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport.

“The stakes are high, but the rewards are potentially enormous.

“Support for the reopening of DSA is exceptionally high within Doncaster and South Yorkshire’s business communities.
"Indeed, at various points of this campaign, many of the region’s major business organisations, including the three South Yorkshire Chambers, Cutlers’ Company of Hallamshire, the Federation of Small Busineses, the Institute of Directors, Make UK and others, have aligned to demonstrate this point to government and others.


"As you will know, these organisations, collectively, represent thousands of businesses and private sector thought leaders.

"This is in addition to the outpouring of public support for the reopening of DSA voiced via the #SaveDSA campaign and others.
“The reason so many businesses continue to support the reopening DSA is because the benefits to the economy are vast.
"Even the under-performing airport that closed its doors three years ago was contributing something akin to £100m a year to the regional economy.


"A fully functioning and well-run airport could contribute significantly more, with enormous benefits to inward investment, tourism, international trade, logistics, skills, supply chains, and more besides.
"As you will be aware, c5,000 direct jobs and 6,500 indirect jobs stand to be created by the airport. The airport is also central to the success of the adjacent Gateway East development site, part of South Yorkshire’s Investment Zone. The economic prize here is huge and cannot be mirrored by any other current South Yorkshire project.
“There are, of course, significant risks involved in a scheme of this nature. As representatives of the region’s business communities, we are eyes wide open to these. Ahead of the meeting on the 27th of November, you will, quite rightly, be assessing these risks and your own comfortableness with the mitigations proposed within the plan for DSA.
"With this in mind – and trusting you have been able to avail yourselves of it – we would politely remind you of the significant due diligence work that has been completed to date, including multiple pieces of assurance work.


"We would also strongly assert that the risks involved in not proceeding with this project now outweigh those of moving forward. Put simply, if South Yorkshire were to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at this juncture, its credibility with residents, businesses, investors and government alike would be irreparably damaged.
“For these reasons, we urge you and your respective parties to vote yes to accepting the SYMCA funds on the 27th of November.
"We are, of course, cognisant of the complexities of the local political landscape, but, nonetheless, would contend that, on this occasion, the stakes are too high for you not to work together. In these circumstances, our business communities will, quite reasonably, expect pragmatism from you all and applaud those that choose to reach across the political divide to achieve the best outcome for South Yorkshire.
"If any of us can help in any way to facilitate dialogue between you or to provide additional evidence from the business community, we would be pleased to assist.


"The 27th of November will hopefully mark the moment this project fully matures from being a bootstrapped campaign into an ambitious start up airport. With funding approved, there will be an opportune moment to further shape the detail of how the project moves forward successfully, including, we hope, through the deeper involvement of the private sector.
"Indeed, following the Full Council meeting, we would welcome the opportunity to engage with you all about the implementation plan for DSA and how the benefits for business can be maximised. This, however, can wait. In the here and now, we urge you, in the strongest terms, to focus on getting over this final funding hurdle, to keep the project moving forward, and to keep DSA on a critical path to open for passenger flights in 2028.
“On behalf of our members, we thank and applaud those who have worked tirelessly to get the DSA project to this stage. Please vote yes to accepting the funding on the 27th of November and to keeping our region’s flagship economic regeneration project on track.”
The letter was signed by
Carrie Sudbury, Barnsley and Rotherham Chamber
Keith Jackson, Cutlers’ Company of Hallamshire
Dan Fell, Doncaster Chamber
Barney Mynott, FSB
Pete Shillito, IoD
Dawn Huntrod, Make UK
Mark Chadwick, SaveDSA
Louisa Harrison Walker, Sheffield Chamber
 

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Are any of these people putting their own money in?
Nope. I do note that Peel have been granted permission to build 1400 houses almost right up to the airport boundary even though this apparently contravenes the local plan. All very strange.
 
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Are any of these people putting their own money in?
One City of Doncaster councillor at least does not support borrowing money to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport.

A City of Doncaster councillor has joined a new party after quitting Reform UK for the second time in a fortnight.
Nicola Brown resigned over the decision by Reform UK to vote to borrow £57m to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
Brown said she supported opening the airport "but not at the cost of putting Doncaster people and our public services at unacceptable financial risk for the next 25 years," as she joined Advance UK.
 

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BAe isn't the only player in the game (plus I believe Woodford was a civilian manufacturing base too.)
There are other military firms that will need increased reasonably priced access to airfields with a decently long runway, even if the actual manufacturing base that would require tighter security is elsewhere (for good reasons we shouldn't go too deep into this topic).

The government may not directly invest, but arms can be twisted.
Who are the other military aircraft manufacturers in the game that may be interested in setting up a brand new manufacturing and flight test centre at DSA? Europe only has 3 core combat aircraft manufacturers in BAE, Saab and Dassault that flight test complete frames (although Airbus Germany and Leonardi Italy also have FALs for the Typhoon). Then you have Airbus Spain that assemble the A400M and A330MRTT tanker.....every one of these has a well established presence at flight test airfields already
 

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Who are the other military aircraft manufacturers in the game that may be interested in setting up a brand new manufacturing and flight test centre at DSA? Europe only has 3 core combat aircraft manufacturers in BAE, Saab and Dassault that flight test complete frames (although Airbus Germany and Leonardi Italy also have FALs for the Typhoon). Then you have Airbus Spain that assemble the A400M and A330MRTT tanker.....every one of these has a well established presence at flight test airfields already
None, same for this ‘Sustainable Aviation Hub’ concept. Not only did SYMCA offer sweeteners to divert attention away from a planned DSA campus in 2021 to runway park in Sheffield, they also haven’t been able to provide any tangible evidence that such a SAH could ever exist, what companies would locate there or indeed whether there is such an industry with such scale that they need to be based next to an airport. Clearly in the case of Runway Park an airport wasn’t necessary!

It’s just greenwashing to shore up support for a political vanity project that will fail again, but its objectives are clearly to retain Labour support in South Yorkshire.
 

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Who are the other military aircraft manufacturers in the game that may be interested in setting up a brand new manufacturing and flight test centre at DSA? Europe only has 3 core combat aircraft manufacturers in BAE, Saab and Dassault that flight test complete frames (although Airbus Germany and Leonardi Italy also have FALs for the Typhoon). Then you have Airbus Spain that assemble the A400M and A330MRTT tanker.....every one of these has a well established presence at flight test airfields already
Airbus is one that I did have in mind, they already have a presence in the UK but Broughton seems to busy with civilian flights.
 

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Airbus is one that I did have in mind, they already have a presence in the UK but Broughton seems to busy with civilian flights.
So what military aviation is Airbus looking to get into that necessitates the building of another factory at DSA? Have you not seen their investment in Oxford?

This is the prime example of what the proponents of reopening DSA are actually hanging their hats on. Airport not justified so closes, let’s think of some outlandish ideas that make it viable on paper to shore up support for reopening.
 

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So what military aviation is Airbus looking to get into that necessitates the building of another factory at DSA? Have you not seen their investment in Oxford?

This is the prime example of what the proponents of reopening DSA are actually hanging their hats on. Airport not justified so closes, let’s think of some outlandish ideas that make it viable on paper to shore up support for reopening.
I suspect there will be demand for another fighter or trainer jet for export in the near future, but that's just my opinion.
 

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