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Does anyone really have a problem with through trains running between destinations no one would use them for?

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JonathanH

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Who does Walsall to Wolverhampton end-to-end on a train? Track bashers?! They're like a few miles apart as the crow flies!
No one, but that isn't why it runs as a through service.

It is operationally convenient, and some people may appreciate the links it offers between intermediate stations. It really isn't something to be concerned about.

'Rounders' exist on certain routes in London, where the train starts and ends in the same place.
 
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Unfortunately it seems to be quite a common misapprehension among enthusiasts that any train service will necessarily be provided for the benefit of passengers travelling end to end. Of course in many cases such journeys are made but much of the time the termini of train services are all but dictated by operational convenience. Many here will be familiar with my interventions in discussions relating to the Wigan-Southport line: one of my most commonly made points is that the number of passengers actually travelling to/from Southport is relatively small. If it was possible to turn trains round at Burscough Bridge I've no doubt that would happen regularly but as it is all such trains have to go to Southport. This is not driven by passenger demand!

And the linking together of what would ordinarily be separate services can provide a better service for those whose journey is across the join location. Some York-Hull services run through to Scarborough, not because Northern wants to compete with TPE for York-Scarborough passengers but to allow passengers between, say, Hessle and Beverley to avoid changing trains in Hull when linking the services together is operationally convenient.

Of course the main argument for not linking together more services is the performance risk ie a late-running train can affect a wider part of the network when running through over a greater distance. Ultimately, putting aside the latter-day issue of franchise boundaries, it's all a balancing act at the planning stage.
 

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North Wales to South Wales services only seem to benefit people who like arriving late
 

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Was there not in the early days of privatisation a thing called Orcats robbing? This was running a through service, possibly only a single train a day, that linked two up two services that were normally separate. Examples were (I think) Brighton-Exeter and Exeter-Penzance or Milford Haven-Cardiff and Cardiff-Manchester. If I understood it correctly (not guaranteed) the reason was that any company that ran a direct service between two stations got a significantly larger proportion of the revenue flow for these journeys than if it was just one of the companies being apportioned a percentage of the flow. (It is quite possible that my memory has seriously misremembered something I misunderstood in the first place.)
 

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Its a recipe for accumulating delays and messing up the timetable for everyone else. Plus cancellations get radiated over much bigger distance. Whenever theirs problems with the ECML , Thameslink means many stations in south london loose half their services
 

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I have a bit of a problem with it when say, Newcastle-Plymouth has got chronically delayed in the Midlands but it's meant to provide a local service south of Bristol ( or at least a semi-fast ). I bet people do go the whole way on it but they'd have to be nuts or really hate flying... I know *why* it's done like that, doesn't mean I have to like the result.

If it's not prone to chronic delays, then sure, what's the problem.
 

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I don’t have an actual problem with it. The Walsall to Wolverhampton service mentioned by the OP clearly looks a bit odd but at least it provides a through connection through New Street instead of hugging a platform.
 
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