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Does anyone have any SPAD statistics?

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newdriver87

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Hi there,

I'm a new member and this is my first post.

I am a couple of months away from taking my Part 6 and as part of the training I have been asked to produce a Signals Passed at Danger (SPAD) report.

Does anyone know if SPAD statistics are available anywhere? I've looked on Network Rail and ORR but cannot find them.

Looking simply for a number of how many SPAD's occured in 2013. I do not need a TOC breakdown (although that would be great).

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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newdriver87 said:
Hi there,

I'm a new member and this is my first post.

I am a couple of months away from taking my Part 6 and as part of the training I have been asked to produce a Signals Passed at Danger (SPAD) report.

Does anyone know if SPAD statistics are available anywhere? I've looked on Network Rail and ORR but cannot find them.

Looking simply for a number of how many SPAD's occured in 2013. I do not need a TOC breakdown (although that would be great).

Thanks in advance for your help.
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https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/displayreport/report/html/103544cc-2dc1-4ddd-ab04-9a8b8092f12c


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On Network Rail controlled infrastructure, between 2012/2013 there were 250 SPADs. The only breakdown of that figure is 16 potentially severe, 54 potentially significant and 180 with no significant risk. Can't find any TOC breakdown, sorry.

Data from table RAI0504 from the DfT on this site... https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/rai05-rail-accidents-and-safety

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Well, there you go, even more recent statistics from ORR above posted by petersi
 
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I obviously didn't look hard enough!

Thanks so much to both of you. Interesting statistics.

Now if only I could find a report as to why SPAD's occur ;)

Thanks again.
 
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I know things are different from company to company but are your own companies stats not on display, with glorious colour pics, at booking on points ?, my old TOCs were and a good read through them could actually help you with that Holy Grail, the report as to why they occur

That wonderful invention, the Safety Brief, should also give you some help, just make sure you don't get over excited sitting in an overheated and stuffy office during the brief

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I am glad they are still being called SPADs. Rumours were floating around that they will be changed to SPARs (passed at red), eurgh


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carriageline said:
I am glad they are still being called SPADs. Rumours were floating around that they will be changed to SPARs (passed at red), eurgh


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Just doesn't have the same affect. The words alone gives me chills and I've yet to drive a real train in traction yet!
 
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Forget all this political correctness nonsense and just call a SPAD a SPAD...

(I'll go get my coat)
 
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It seems reasonable to think that a group of non-entities would sit down and waste everyones time changing a D to an R rather than concentrating on signal siting for example

Personally I don't see SPAD as being an offensive word, what I see as offensive is the lack of professionalism from some drivers that lead to SPADs, mobile phones, ipods, etc etc, and before anyone asks, yes I was a driver and yes I have seen drivers using such equipment when driving and yes I've seen it since I retired as well

SPADs can be down to signal siting and railhead conditions for example, but drivers need to be fully responsible for their actions if the overall SPAD count is ever to be brought under control
 
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What where Cat A SPADs are still known as SPADs



What where Cat B, C, D SPADs are now known as SPARs
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So a signal is only at danger if it's been held at danger for a reason, and it's at red if it went back because of a signallers mistake/equipment problem etc?

Makes no sense...


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Thanks again for everyone's info. My TOC has info of SPADs on our network and recent ones in the operational incidents notice case. All I needed was a yearly figure and if possible a TOC by TOC breakdown.

250 last year and that's set to increase this year according to the ORR.
 
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As for causes of SPAD's, the list is very long. I suspect that they are looking for you to produce something about Human Factor's - Non-Technical skill's, which is the latest big thing in the industry.
Plenty of information and resources about NTS available on RSSB and Opsweb websites.
 
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carriageline said:
I am glad they are still being called SPADs. Rumours were floating around that they will be changed to SPARs (passed at red), eurgh
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Thats the old cat B and C ones, a cat A is the only SPAD now.
Some companies were turning drivers down who had had cat B or C SPADs even though these are not the drivers fault.
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Lockwood said:
Forget all this political correctness nonsense and just call a SPAD a SPAD...

(I'll go get my coat)
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So when you (as a qualified driver) apply for a drivers job with another TOC and they ask "have you had a SPAD" you will say "yes" because you had a cat B (or cat C) will you?

That is why they have been renamed which makes perfect sense but dont let the facts get in the way will any of you! :roll:
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Only by muppets
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Really! :roll:
People who call others muppets when they themselves are not aware of (and cant be bothered to find out) the reasons why are the real muppets!
 
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455driver said:
Thats the old cat B and C ones, a cat A is the only SPAD now.
Some companies were turning drivers down who had had cat B or C SPADs even though these are not the drivers fault.
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So when you (as a qualified driver) apply for a drivers job with another TOC and they ask "have you had a SPAD" you will say "yes" because you had a cat B (or cat C) will you?

That is why they have been renamed which makes perfect sense but dont let the facts get in the way will any of you! :roll:
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Really! :roll:
People who call others muppets when they themselves are not aware of (and cant be bothered to find out) the reasons why are the real muppets!
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When someone applies for a job and is asked if they have had a SPAD, only an idiot would say yes if the incident was not a cat A

In any event it doesn't matter what the candidate says the info will be on the TSCI form

Don't get confused between incident and responsibility

(PS I fully know the reasons why, doesn't change my opinion though)

Oh, and by the way, a cat A might be the drivers fault
 
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Not before the re-catagorisation of SPAD's
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I don't understand. Category A has always been aimed squarely at the driver both before and after this SPAR name change. CAT A is still CAT A and the former CAT B, C and D are now just SPAR... ie technical spads.
 
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carriageline said:
So a signal is only at danger if it's been held at danger for a reason, and it's at red if it went back because of a signallers mistake/equipment problem etc?

Makes no sense...
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There is a logic to it although it might not appeal to everyone. The signal might be red because it would be dangerous to pass it, or there might be no real danger because everything is OK for the train to go except that there is a fault that prevents the signal clearing.

Of course the driver doesn't necessarily know the difference as the signal looks the same in each case... and this definition doesn't cover the situation when the signaler becomes aware of some danger and puts the signal back.
 
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GB said:
I don't understand. Category A has always been aimed squarely at the driver both before and after this SPAR name change. CAT A is still CAT A and the former CAT B, C and D are SPAR.
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Wrong

A SPAD (prev cat A SPAD) might not be driver responsibility
 
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