Doctor takes a stand

[valenta]

Very funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z40Cd8fHoo&feature=topvideos_news

 

[MidnightFlyer]

He had a point but he did make himself look like a bit of a berk.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It would have gone down well in the "Carry On" films. The depertmental head would have been played by Kenneth Williams.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

An entirely reasonable reaction from the senior clinician I think. It;s his ward, the buck would stop with him if an infection was spread. Although I bet he isn't popular with the hospitals senior management and NHS PR though.

 

[Kernowfem]

I believe he was refering to stringent hygeine rules. The berk didn't stop to ask if dumb and dumber had actually cleaned their hands before entering the ward environment (which they had!)

He threw his weight around, let it be known he was head of orthopaedics, and i dare say then went off on his merry way to play a round of golf for the afternoon leaving the ward staff to apologise and smooth over his tantrum.
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An entirely reasonable reaction from the senior clinician I think. It;s his ward, the buck would stop with him if an infection was spread. Although I bet he isn't popular with the hospitals senior management and NHS PR though.

I disagree with the reaction Ralph, while i do understand his reasons. a head of department should have been more professional about it....to shout like that in front of patients is a no no.

 

[SS4]

He should have done it more professionally but I applaud him for stealing the spotlight from Cameron's [with respect he was the most professional one there] cynical attempt to look good on the NHS (perhaps Clegg was making tea?)

 

[Kernowfem]

I believe he was refering to stringent hygeine rules. The berk didn't stop to ask if dumb and dumber had actually cleaned their hands before entering the ward environment (which they had!)

He threw his weight around, let it be known he was head of orthopaedics, and i dare say then went off on his merry way to play a round of golf for the afternoon leaving the ward staff to apologise and smooth over his tantrum.
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I disagree with the reaction Ralph, while i do understand his reasons. a head of department should have been more professional about it....to shout like that in front of patients is a no no.

Oh and just to add....the senior management were probably already on the golf course...awaiting the good doctors arrival!!!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

He should have done it more professionally but I applaud him for stealing the spotlight from Cameron's [with respect he was the most professional one there] cynical attempt to look good on the NHS (perhaps Clegg was making tea?)

Clegg was on the left.

I think he had a reasonable point. I bet none of the journos had been briefed on infection control, and just been ushered in by some PR manager. You will notice that both Clegg and Cameron had sleeves up and ties off. When dealing with any kind of healthcare, politeness is secondary to keeping patients safe.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I would have respected him a lot more had he said, 'Excuse me, there's quite strict hygiene rules in here, blah, blah, blah, and as the Head of Department could I please ask you to leave'. With the attitude he showed, I am glad that he isn't my Doctor!

 

[Kernowfem]

Clegg was on the left.

I think he had a reasonable point. I bet none of the journos had been briefed on infection control, and just been ushered in by some PR manager. You will notice that both Clegg and Cameron had sleeves up and ties off. When dealing with any kind of healthcare, politeness is secondary to keeping patients safe.

Without a doubt he had a very reasonable point. He was right in what he was saying. He just went about it in completely the wrong way.

 

[Greenback]

Agreed. Yet the epsiode is symptomatic of the clash of culture between clinicians and management in the NHS. Consultants can be very high handed with other staff, management are not focussed enough on patient care. The balance is not right.

 

[bb21]

I believe he was refering to stringent hygeine rules. The berk didn't stop to ask if dumb and dumber had actually cleaned their hands before entering the ward environment (which they had!)

He threw his weight around, let it be known he was head of orthopaedics, and i dare say then went off on his merry way to play a round of golf for the afternoon leaving the ward staff to apologise and smooth over his tantrum.

I wonder if he had been informed of their arrival though. If so then he really did not have a case to bark at them. He should have realised that they would have gone into the ward without protective clothing (which I assume is what he's referring to) and made sure that they were properly dressed. On the other hand, he may have given out specific instructions regarding this but they had been ignored, in which case I can understand his reaction.

If he simply realised that they were present and had not followed hospital regulations, then I find his behaviour most immature and unprofessional. He could have politely requested that those two leave and take appropriate precautions should they wish to return to the ward. I would think this is what he would have done had those two been ordinary family visitors? If it were the latter case, then his anger should have been directed at his own staff, not the visitors.

Maybe he hated their new plans for the NHS.

I disagree with the reaction Ralph, while i do understand his reasons. a head of department should have been more professional about it....to shout like that in front of patients is a no no.

Precisely, and for that reason I think Cameron should lodge a complaint against this guy. After all you and I wouldn't hesitate to write in if it happened to ourselves.

I don't like either of those two for what they have done to this country, however they're also human and didn't deserve to be treated like that.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

bb21 - he was getting at the journos who had not followed procedure. Cameron and Clegg both had - as can be heard on the tape - and indeed Cameron also asked the journos to leave.

 

[Clip]

It was only directed at the reporters and cameramen by the looks of it.

Had a nice dickie bow tie on though

 

[bb21]

Oh OK now I get it. Still no need for shouting at them tho.

 

[43021HST]

An entirely reasonable reaction from the senior clinician I think. It;s his ward, the buck would stop with him if an infection was spread. Although I bet he isn't popular with the hospitals senior management and NHS PR though.

For once Ralph I agree with you, I bet that clips going to get spread all over the net and people are going to say ooh look at that doctor isnt he so rude the NHS is rubbish I agree with the condenmed for privatising it.

 

[Geezertronic]

I think he looks like a total idiot to be honest, and his reaction and attitude is certainly what I have come to expect of senior doctors within the NHS which isn't a good thing by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd send the lot of them on courses on how to deal with people. My experience with the ones in the West Midlands area leave a lot to be desired which is why my wife went private when she was seriously ill. The senior consultant was great, the staff were attentive, and it was worth every penny of it

I don't quite work out how they react one way within the NHS then another way when doing private work though, maybe you get what you pay for

 

[YorkshireBear]

Attitude wrong. Point he was making is very right. My mum is a senior nurse and pointed out how many hygene rules they were breaking.
Still thought it was pretty funny to be honest, he does have a point and david cameron didnt really know what to do.

Don't agree with you all saying the doctors will be playing golf....

 

[Clip]

Attitude wrong. Point he was making is very right. My mum is a senior nurse and pointed out how many hygene rules they were breaking.
Still thought it was pretty funny to be honest, he does have a point and david cameron didnt really know what to do.

Interesting that your mam could notice this really. The doc was clearly mentioning about footwear which you could not see in the clip. Also how does she know that both Cameron and Clegg had not gone through the whole washing thing before they sat down? Remember it wasnt aimed at them.

Also do the visitors of the patients get spoken to like that if they dont wear appropriate footwear?Do they always go through any proper washing before they visit? Probably not on both counts.

Makes you think he was just trying to stitch them up and make himself a hero against the government if im honest

 

[ralphchadkirk]

The issue was with sleeves, ties and footwear Clip. The Doc was right to send them out.

Cameron also stated he had been asked to remove his tie, so clearly handwashing would occur as well.

 

[Clip]

The issue was with sleeves, ties and footwear Clip. The Doc was right to send them out.

Cameron also stated he had been asked to remove his tie, so clearly handwashing would occur as well.

So its ok for the senior clinician to wear his ever so dainty dickie bow tie but others cannot wear a full tie? I also notice that neither cameron nor clegg had their ties on and had sleeves rolled up too.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

So its ok for the senior clinician to wear his ever so dainty dickie bow tie but others cannot wear a full tie? I also notice that neither cameron nor clegg had their ties on and had sleeves rolled up too.

Yes..

 

[HugePilchard]

I think the argument against ties would be that they can dangle, and end up dipping in all sorts of fluids and whatnot (I'm sure I can't be the only one here who's ever had to clean their tie after an encounter with some soup?), whereas that's not a risk with bow tie.

 

[Hydro]

(I'm sure I can't be the only one here who's ever had to clean their tie after an encounter with some soup?),

I tend to leave it. The ingressed soup makes for an excellent snack later.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Agreed. Yet the epsiode is symptomatic of the clash of culture between clinicians and management in the NHS. Consultants can be very high handed with other staff

James Robertson Justice's portrayal as the Senior Consultant, Sir Marcus Sparrow, in the "Carry On" films, shows how very little has changed in that respect. They live on a different plane to mere mortals.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I think it's quite unfair to say that consultants are high handed (and he's not being high handed with staff as he was not referring to the staff in the video!). Remember, they've worked hard to get to consultant level, and will have done every job they expect others to do. Getting to that level is not easy.

 

[SS4]

Also do the visitors of the patients get spoken to like that if they dont wear appropriate footwear?Do they always go through any proper washing before they visit? Probably not on both counts.

Yes, but the visitors of the patients actually care deeply about their welfare and don't bring a camera crew.

 

[valenta]

I very much admire the doctor for standing up for himself. It was unaceptable for the press to be coming in unsuitably dressed, and since when has the Prime Minster and Co visiting hospitals been so interesting? Why do we need footage of every patient he sees?

 

[YorkshireBear]

So its ok for the senior clinician to wear his ever so dainty dickie bow tie but others cannot wear a full tie? I also notice that neither cameron nor clegg had their ties on and had sleeves rolled up too.

A tie hangs down when you bend over a patient that is why they are not allowed, sleevers are rolled up for a very similar reason so yes a dicke bow is okay but full tie is not