Do you support women-only carriages?

[backontrack]

...just curious...

 

[RichmondCommu]

Why have you set up a poll where you can see how other people have voted?

 

[AndyHA]

Until the 1970s , a number of Suberban Multiple Units , in the London area . Had Ladies Only compartments .

These were done away with on the grounds of "Safty"

 

[SamYeager]

32 votes so far, nobody has voted "Yes" yet and 5 have voted "Meh". The outcome of this poll seems pretty clear.

 

[backontrack]

Why have you set up a poll where you can see how other people have voted?

Oh. Didn't realise I'd done that.

The outcome of this poll is extremely conclusive. Women-only carriages are a terrible idea.

 

[Comstock]

No, we should have serious punishments for those who sexually harass women on trains.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

How would women only carriages be enforced. Who would be the enforcer?

We are struggling for capacity as it is

 

[PHILIPE]

You've only got to look at the thread to gain a consensus of opinion

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=152694

 

[CC 72100]

No, we should have serious punishments for those who sexually harass anyone on trains.

Fixed that for you... even if attacks on women are more common (or more reported) let's get away from any perceptions that all sexual crime (or indeed all crime) is something perpetrated by only males on only female victims.

 

[AlterEgo]

Oh. Didn't realise I'd done that.

The outcome of this poll is extremely conclusive. Women-only carriages are a terrible idea.

...according to a very narrow and predominantly male demographic comprised entirely of railway enthusiasts.

 

[HH]

...according to a very narrow and predominantly male demographic comprised entirely of railway enthusiasts.

And railway workers. As I noted last time this came up, this is an idea that raises its head every few years, when some "bright young thing" imagines that it's something new that has sprung forth, fully formed, like Pallas Athene.

It never sees the light of day, because operationally it's a thoroughly bad idea. Railwaymen (and I use the term loosely to include any gender) will always put operations first; it's only when politicians get involved that other priorities take over.

 

[Lockwood]

Does "No" mean "No. I do not support the idea of gender segregation because gender is one of the protected characteristics of the Equality Act 2010" or "No. I don't think that people should look at ways to increase perceived safety of women because I'm sexist and am sick of all this positive discrimination"?

 

[BestWestern]

Does "No" mean "No. I do not support the idea of gender segregation because gender is one of the protected characteristics of the Equality Act 2010" or "No. I don't think that people should look at ways to increase perceived safety of women because I'm sexist and am sick of all this positive discrimination"?

Or perhaps "No. I'm male and, along with very nearly the entire male population of the UK, I manage to get through my day to day life without sexually assaulting females, and find the suggestion that there is a need for segregation frankly disguting".

There is absolutely nothing 'positive' about this particular form of discrimination. Thankfully for those of us who live in the 21st century, it isn't going to happen.

And for those who continue to live in Victorian times, back in the modern world being gay is a bit of a thing these days too. So will we also need 'straight only' carriages to protect men from each other? Or, as all men are unholy pigs devoid of moral, are they all fair game for one another? Maybe we could invite audiences to throw rotten fruit at the male only part of the train as it passes... :roll:

 

[QueensCurve]

Until the 1970s , a number of Suberban Multiple Units , in the London area . Had Ladies Only compartments .

These were done away with on the grounds of "Safty"

The background to this is that there were still on the Southern non-corridor EMUs in which women were at risk of being attacked while between stations.

Non-corridor sections (inlcuding the 1st class compartments on the Class 304s) were eliminated which removed this risk.

The idea has been refloated because some women still feel unsafe. The solution to this is to enforce reasonable standards of behaviour on men, not imposing a gender apartheit.

There may be an argument here for retaining guards however.

 

[ivanhoe]

It's the silly season again. Having recently travelled on the one carriage Crewe to Derby train, you can see how this hasn't been thought through by the Labour MP who suggested it. It's a Victorian solution to a perceived 21st Century problem. The Courts deal with such issues, end of.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Maybe those women travelling in fear should sit as near as possible to where the train manager/guard/conductor is based.

Oh, but if course, you can't do that on a DOO service. Which brings me Back to my original question, who will be enforcing this dark ages proposal?

But then again I'm just part of the narrow male railway worker demographic...

 

[class387]

Absolutely not! (I actually wrote a school project arguing this)

 

[Train man]

It will never happen any time just utter rubbish.

 

[Gareth]

Why have you set up a poll where you can see how other people have voted?

I know we live in an age of exceptionally low tolerance towards divergent opinion, especially when the consensus on the given issue is strong but I'm not sure what reprisals one should expect for voting the wrong way here. It's not like it's a poll on HS2 or anything (in which case, expect to be hunted down with pitchforks lol!).

I'm sure Lemmy99uk is still alive and well and not living in fear of his life, or losing his job, despite currently being in a minority of 1. So why not join him and double the tally?

 

[Monty]

No, I don't support this idea. It's just segregation by another name, we keep being told society needs to be more inclusive, if that is indeed the case this is not the answer.

 

[RichmondCommu]

I know we live in an age of exceptionally low tolerance towards divergent opinion, especially when the consensus on the given issue is strong but I'm not sure what reprisals one should expect for voting the wrong way here. It's not like it's a poll on HS2 or anything (in which case, expect to be hunted down with pitchforks lol!).

I'm sure Lemmy99uk is still alive and well and not living in fear of his life, or losing his job, despite currently being in a minority of 1. So why not join him and double the tally?

I don't see what there is to be gained by identifying which way people voted.

 

[northwichcat]

Apparently the two who have supported yes are female Labour MPs who don't want to sit anywhere near Corbyn

 

[The Ham]

One problem with women only carriages is that it could lead to, on quite services, having only one women in the carriage and so potentially increase the risk to that individual than if they sat in a normal coach with several other people.

 

[trainmania100]

Pointless idea to be honest
Who's to stop a drunk bloke walking in on a late night service other than CCTV which would otherwise be there anyway?
s far as I'm concerned, women only carriages would cause trains to be busier and more crowded by allocating one carriage to females only - should they wish to use it in the first place

 

[6Gman]

Some women are attacked/ harassed because they are women.

Some ethnic minority people are attacked/ harassed because they are of an ethnic minority.

Some disabled people are attached/ harassed ...

So are we to have trains with Ethnic Minority Only / Disabled Only carriages?

 

[Raul_Duke]

I think the 2017 definition of who is or is not a "woman" is probably too broad to make the idea workable in the first place.

 

[ModChod]

I think the 2017 definition of who is or is not a "woman" is probably too broad to make the idea workable in the first place.

Correct. Couldn't a bloke walk into a woman only carriage and claim to be gender fluid or non binary or something - I wouldn't want to be the enforcer of the rules in that scenario.

Anyway, in my opinion it's such a bad idea and incredibly archaic. Punishments need to be tough enough to stop people committing such crimes in the first place. And it says to me: 'all men can't be trusted because a tiny proportion of them are sex offenders'.

Imagine white only carriages with the same logic: 'all black people can't be trusted because a tiny proportion of them are pickpockets'. There would rightly be uproar.

99.999% of people in this country are good honest people and want to live their lives without causing ill harm to others and their religion, skin coulour or what genitalia they have plays no bearing on this. It's unfair to punish innocent people like this (female only carriages are a definite punishment to men) and I wish they would find sensible, workable solutions that punish the guilty and leave the rest of us to live out our lives without hairbrained ideas.

 

[Bromley boy]

This really is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen in a long while. It takes Labour's obsession with minority politics and perpetual victimhood to a whole new level.

The biggest irony of this idea, which of course is lost on its proposers, is that there's something deeply and disturbingly patriarchal about the concept of "women only" carriages. The idea that we need to shut women away to keep them safe. Looking around the world, the cultures where this kind of thing is in place aren't exactly known for their progressive views on gender equality.

This is the beginning of a slippery cultural slope that ends with women being made to cover up from head to toe and only allowed to leave home with a male chaperone...

 

[PudseyBearHST]

I don't particularly support this idea (I voted 'meh') but I am interested to know how many women have voted on this thread; I suspect very few. Before anyone starts to jump out on me, I don't particularly support this idea but I am interested to know what women's thoughts are on this considering this is a proposal regarding them. I don't think it will be that popular with women but I am sure there will be support, or at least more than what is displayed on this thread.

 

[R4_GRN]

This is what happens when people who have no practical experience of life, who have gone to school, university to study politics, have no common sense, are voted into office.

Completely impractical