Do train crew need a ticket?

[MichaelAMW]

Bit of a silly one, this, almost at the "trivia" level, but it came up in a conversation in the pub yesterday afternoon. Simple question: do the driver and guard of a train need a travel ticket when they are working a particular train? I did wonder if one way round the issue, although I presume in practice all TOC staff have a travel ticket of some sort, is to give yourself permission to travel, as per the byelaws.

 

[AlterEgo]

No, they don't need a ticket. They're not passengers. A ticket is evidence of a contract to travel, not necessarily an authorisation to be on a train.

 

[LowLevel]

Your permission is your being rostered to work on board the train.

For other trains you have your orange duty travel pass

 

[dlj83]

Wasn't there a case recently of barrier staff refusing to let the driver through the gates therefore delaying the service.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Wasn't there a case recently of barrier staff refusing to let the driver through the gates therefore delaying the service.

Don't know about recently, but G4S were notorious for refusing Northern staff access to the platforms at Manchester Piccadilly when they had the Northern revenue contract.

In answer to the op, authorised persons cannot be in breach of byelaw 17 and 18, this is noted in byelaw 24 (6).

 

[LowLevel]

Don't know about recently, but G4S were notorious for refusing Northern staff access to the platforms at Manchester Piccadilly when they had the Northern revenue contract.

In answer to the op, authorised persons cannot be in breach of byelaw 17 and 18, this is noted in byelaw 24 (6).

I personally would love it Not sure what would be more fun, try and stop me or sit there until the train is delayed and they come looking for you

 

[matt_world2004]

I was working on a bus once and got asked by the revenue inspector for my contractor oyster card.

 

[Matt Taylor]

My schedule card is my travel ticket and this also applies on other operators where we are required to pass on Southern, Great Western or Cross Country. I believe there's a separate agreement covering Wimbledon to Wimbledon Park tube station (for Wimbledon depot).

 

[185]

At my (non-atoc) operator, traincrew do not need a ticket. Even though they do. Allegedly.
Their managers probably should have a ticket, usually dealt with by poking fun of them infront of their own traincrew. Allegedly.
Directors on the other hand, usually need to have a form of ID ready whilst I complete their TIR. By the book for them. Very Allegedly. :P

 

[185]

Wasn't there a case recently of barrier staff refusing to let the driver through the gates therefore delaying the service.

The only one to my knowledge was back in 2003, famously a Liverpool-Scarborough sat at Picc for 25 minutes, whilst the guard, wearing the new Arriva uniform was stopped upstairs by G4S, and said, well I'll just wait then. And he did. 25 mins, good lad

 

[Deerfold]

Wasn't there a case recently of barrier staff refusing to let the driver through the gates therefore delaying the service.

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116473

 

[Ticket Monster]

A couple of years ago there were agency staff working at New Street station in the run up to Christmas, mostly for crowd control. Several times conductors and drivers were denied entry to the platform as the temp said it was too crowded. Sadly never happened to me!

 

[PeterC]

So to summarise, the only thing that authorises a member of traincrew to be "rail side" is the TOC logo on their clothing?

 

[221129]

So to summarise, the only thing that authorises a member of traincrew to be "rail side" is the TOC logo on their clothing?

No. And I don't think anyone has claimed that to be the case.