Disruption at Chinley involving a freight train 19/10/22

[liamf656]

Transpennine Express released this message a few hours ago:

https://twitter.com/TPEassist/status/1582781283746598912

Due to a problem currently under investigation between #Sheffield and #ManchesterPiccadilly all lines are blocked.

Replies to the tweet suggest that a freight train has shed its load...

My son was on the train Sheffield - Manchester coming home from uni and was told a freight train shead it's load on the track.

...and info from people who have access to Tyrell suggests that its 6F05, which was carrying Stone. EMR have declared a CSL2 code black (severe disruption lasting more than 4 hours) on this route and RAIB are said to have been called out (edited). I'll keep this post updated as more info comes in

 

[Rail Ranger]

6F05 is the Tunstead to Lostock hoppers.

 

[507020]

EMR have declared a CSL2 code black

For anyone who doesn’t know? What is a CSL2 code black?

 

[Sheridan]

What is a CSL2 code black?

 

[liamf656]

What is a CSL2 code black?

Customer Service Level 2. Green is good service, Yellow is minor delays, red is a line block and black is severe disruption. Transpennine Express have cancelled all services for tomorrow between Sheffield and Manchester which, needless to say, means that disruption is severe, hence the code black

More info here:

https://www.eastmidlandsrailway.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets/media/20190904/G8sFSacodzBA_-Du-OIij12kLeJmStW-WsBbIhd3mEA/emr_pidd_local_delivery_plan_august_2019.pdf

 

[westcoaster]

What is a CSL2 code black?

Normally the worst kind of disruption you can get. (Routes blocked, no signalling etc)

 

[liamf656]

Normally the worst kind of disruption you can get. (Routes blocked, no signalling etc)

I believe the main issue this evening is the difficulty to rope buses in. The Huddersfield diversion is also affected by a fallen tree however I'd imagine TPE will be using this route tomorrow

 

[jp4712]

A busy day for RAIB, I believe a Clitheroe - Carlisle cement train has this evening deposited itself in the river at Petteril Bridge Junction. https://twitter.com/charterrail/status/1582845829311709184?s=61&t=uYQ5tgev4fFC8KxjVjo19w

@setcarrailway services suspended north of Appleby following derailment of Clitheroe - Carlisle cement train at Peteril Bridge Jn. Wagons reported in the river.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

A busy day for RAIB, I believe a Clitheroe - Carlisle cement train has this evening deposited itself in the river at Petteril Bridge Junction. https://twitter.com/charterrail/status/1582845829311709184?s=61&t=uYQ5tgev4fFC8KxjVjo19w

Before there is any complication here, there is a thread for the Carlisle incident:
Thread for Clitheroe - Carlisle incident

 

[66701GBRF]

6F05 has reported to have shed some of its load (stone) in the Chinley area this evening, closing the line towards Manchester. EMR have declared a CSL2 code black on this route and RAIB are said to have been called out. I'll keep this post updated as more info comes in

Not aware of RAIB being called out/involved in this particular incident.

 

[4-SUB 4732]

Sounds like they forgot to close the hoppers at Northwich, it’s gone back and potentially damaged stuff on the way to Tunstead, been reloaded and some signaller had spotted the stuff all just dropping out as it went. Chaos.

 

[Sheridan]

Normally the worst kind of disruption you can get. (Routes blocked, no signalling etc)

Okay, thanks, any idea what it stands for?

 

[Rail Ranger]

Reported that the bottom discharge doors had possibly not been closed properly on a wagon. The signaller at Chinley spotted the issue.

 

[_toommm_]

Okay, thanks, any idea what it stands for?

If you mean CSL2, it stands for Customer Service Level 2. There’s a bit more information below, both directly from EMR and from ATOC:

https://www.eastmidlandsrailway.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets/media/20190904/G8sFSacodzBA_-Du-OIij12kLeJmStW-WsBbIhd3mEA/emr_pidd_local_delivery_plan_august_2019.pdf

https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/1057/acop015v3-pidd-2.pdf

 

[4-SUB 4732]

Reported that the bottom discharge doors had possibly not been closed properly on a wagon. The signaller at Chinley spotted the issue.

Correct, however they are not opened during loading so it would have been the case they had been left open, headed across to Tunstead, and even been loaded and left in this state. Shunter(s) may be asked questions.

 

[childwallblues]

Thank you for the update. Cancelled my plans for today.

 

[johnnychips]

Thank you for the update. Cancelled my plans for today.

Why? Things seem to be running with no more than the usual cancellations between Sheffield and Manchester today.

 

[liamf656]

Thank you for the update. Cancelled my plans for today.

This was 2 days ago, the lines have been open since yesterday

 

[507020]

This was 2 days ago, the lines have been open since yesterday

How did they reopen? I thought Network Rail had stated that the line will be closed for months not weeks, especially with the RAIB investigation needing to conclude before any attempt to recover the detailed wagons and rail replacement buses in service.

 

[175001]

I think you've mixed up between Carlisle and Chinley pal

 

[323235]

Reported that the bottom discharge doors had possibly not been closed properly on a wagon. The signaller at Chinley spotted the issue.

Who will spot these things when lineside signallers are a thing of the past, replaced by ROC workstations?

 

[Neo9320]

Who will spot these things when lineside signallers are a thing of the past, replaced by ROC workstations?

Spotters and railcam subscribers?

I joke of course, you raise a valid point. You would hope that dispatch staff at loading locations would perform a full visual prior to dispatch, though you can not cover any incidents that may happen during transit, just one of those things.

 

[Broken70]

Spotters and railcam subscribers?

I joke of course, you raise a valid point. You would hope that dispatch staff at loading locations would perform a full visual prior to dispatch, though you can not cover any incidents that may happen during transit, just one of those things.

You joke however spotters standing at remote stations and points, even major stations are likely to notice things that are wrong such as this, hot axles etc and I'd be rather hopeful even without much common sense any spotter would pick up the phone and raise the alarm as afterall anyone in the industry would rather stop a train for an inspection incurring delays of let's say 20 minutes for it to be a false alarm rather than deal with something like what has happened in Carlisle. Ovcoruse some would just post the video allover Facebook and you tube and hope they get extra likes and subs unfortunately.

 

[D365]

...and info from people who have access to Tyrell suggests that its 6F05, which was carrying Stone.

Surprised nobody has made a quip (yet) about transporting a certain Staffordshire town across the Hope Valley.

 

[LowLevel]

Who will spot these things when lineside signallers are a thing of the past, replaced by ROC workstations?

In many places they already are, we've had larger scale power boxes since the 50s so it's hardly a new phenomenon.

Interestingly in one of the recent instances of the West Wales tanks going wrong and smashing up miles of infrastructure whilst undergoing a protracted derailment it was remarked upon in the RAIB report that despite passing numerous manned traditional signalboxes whilst literally smashing things to pieces the signallers within failed to note it occurring.

 

[D365]

You would hope that dispatch staff at loading locations would perform a full visual prior to dispatch, though you can not cover any incidents that may happen during transit, just one of those things.

Yes, you would think. Although - as noted above - Mk1 eyeballs are fallible.

 

[edwin_m]

You joke however spotters standing at remote stations and points, even major stations are likely to notice things that are wrong such as this, hot axles etc and I'd be rather hopeful even without much common sense any spotter would pick up the phone and raise the alarm as afterall anyone in the industry would rather stop a train for an inspection incurring delays of let's say 20 minutes for it to be a false alarm rather than deal with something like what has happened in Carlisle. Ovcoruse some would just post the video allover Facebook and you tube and hope they get extra likes and subs unfortunately.

Hot axle box detectors have been widespread for many years, particularly in power box areas where there are no signallers routinely watching passing trains.

More recently there has been other technology such as wheel impact detectors, which are cited in various RAIB reports on freight derailments. These can also pick up uneven weight distribution, something a signaller wouldn't be able to detect. I suppose it's possible in theory, but unlikely in practice, that two consecutive wheel impact detectors could pick up a loss of weight on the journey in between.

I seem to recall the Americans also have detectors for dragging equipment, but I don't think they exist in the UK. North American railroads have been operating with minimal trackside staff presence for far longer (in time and distance) than we do.