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DfT Rolling Stock Perspective

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The DfT have just published their view. No concrete proposals as far as I can see, but maybe those more knowledgeable than I may spot something.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ile/442433/rolling-stock-perspective-pdfa.pdf

...This document is a first issue of a perspective from the Department on rolling stock. I would like to see greater competition within the market – there are great opportunities through our modern era and dependable franchising mechanisms – for the procurement, manufacturing and financing of new vehicles, and for the high-quality refurbishment of existing stock. Thais perspective sets out our view of rolling stock but we are always willing recipients of your views.

We are interested in industry’s thoughts on meeting the challenges ahead, including innovative approaches to financing that bring costs down for farepayers and taxpayers alike (without more Government shelter from risk – risk IS the business of a privatised industry). We particularly welcome innovation that delivers greater capacity through greater interoperability or, for example, the use of longer or double-decker trains – that don’t need complicated new infrastructure...
Also includes a whole table of who has what stock today and how long it is leased for which may inform many discussion on these threads!
 
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It almost seems to be a simplified summary of previous documents, possibly aimed at those with little to no rail knowledge?
 

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Regarding the AC EMU tables P25-27: some of the TOC initials appear to be erroneous e.g. 319, 224 vehicles & 321, 52 vehicles GT - Great Northern, Southern and Thameslink fleets are all otherwise listed under TSGN/TL. Additionally: 323, 78 vehicles EM should be WM.

Furthermore it lists 24 vehicles (6 units) of Class 319 as going to South Eastern yet makes no mention of the West Midlands units which are due to replace the Class 321s. And although it lists the recently announced Class 365 cascade to GW (21 units/84 vehicles), there is nothing said of the Class 387/1-3.
 

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shows all but 6 of the 442s off lease by early 2016 which goes with early theories that 6x 442s will be retained by Southern for Peak LBG to Eastbournes (until DEc 2018).
 

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shows all but 6 of the 442s off lease by early 2016 which goes with early theories that 6x 442s will be retained by Southern for Peak LBG to Eastbournes (until DEc 2018).

Conveniently in time for the start of the next TPE franchise and possibly enough chance to get at least some converted to loco-hauled operation for the Dec 2017 timetable change?

Strangely they're showing all the FGW DMUs except the 143s being retained until the end of the franchise. Possibly a mistake or possibly they aren't envisaging the 150/1s and 153s being released in time?
 

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Conveniently in time for the start of the next TPE franchise and possibly enough chance to get at least some converted to loco-hauled operation for the Dec 2017 timetable change?

hopefully...! Quick, hide before someone moans about another 442 thread, lol
 

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Claire Perry

I want to be clear with the market that any new trains on the existing franchised network will be bought in the market, by the market. Meeting demand affordably will be key to the future success of the railway and the market based approach is important in efficiently doing so. I am pleased that industry is moving away from guarantees for new orders, this is a sign of a mature market working in the interests of its customers rather than merely seeking to shelter risk at the expense of taxpayers. And we look to industry to take the lead, making the most of the opportunities that exist and meeting customer expectations and the issues that arise

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Sounds like 'we are backing off and wont underwrite new trains, the franchises will have to do it themselves.'

Document goes on to claim they will no longer specify stock that a franchise should use and it will be up to bidders to arrange stock to meet franchise requirements (sounds a bit like how Northern was done, specify service requirement and leave it to bidders to find stock apart from trying to avoid a conflict with TPE bidders). No more Thameslink/Crossrail/IEP government procurement apart from HS2.

Says there may well be a requirement for brand new stock that shares HS2 tracks to connect Northern cities. Northern requires at least 120 new trains, TPE new trains could be ordered to meet the increased capacity specification, East Anglia bidders will have to show how they can reduce journey times, West Coast has a modern fleet but could be improved by bidders, may also be demand for new and/or refurbished fleets on east and west midlands franchises.

Otherwise document is just a stock take of current national fleet and outline minimum specifications for each role, oh they seem to have renamed 'Suburban' as 'Metropolitan'.
 
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The Times suggests that Chiltern uses a 1959/1960 built Class 121 DMU for journeys between London and Birmingham. If only!
 
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