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DfT latest 'most overcrowded' train list for Autumn 2013 released

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Slightly more expensive software will be able to recognise on-train staff and monitor their location throughout the train and report back for performance management purposes.

I do wonder actually why trains don't have those metal tags that security guards use to prove they've checked something/patrolled. I could see it being that trains will have them in every carriage, including first class, and RPIs need to tap in (or indeed TMs) to show that they went through the train.

But then I realise the unions would go batsh*t over such an idea - yet these are used in loads of places now.
 
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I do wonder actually why trains don't have those metal tags that security guards use to prove they've checked something/patrolled. I could see it being that trains will have them in every carriage, including first class, and RPIs need to tap in (or indeed TMs) to show that they went through the train.

But then I realise the unions would go batsh*t over such an idea - yet these are used in loads of places now.

I've got in the back of mind that Sleeper Hosts have some procedure to go through to prove they have patrolled the train?
 

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The Daily Mail sample the 0732 Woking to Waterloo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-tight-barely-breathe-ll-cost-3-500-year.html

Welcome aboard the Sardine Express: It's Britain's most crowded commuter train, packed so tight you can barely breathe, and it'll cost you £3,500 a year!

The 07.32 from Woking to London Waterloo is most crowded train in UK
One in five London commuters has to stand on their journey to work
Despite record high fares improvement is unlikely to come anytime soon
The crush is suffocating. All five of my senses are being bombarded, from the overpowering stench of a fellow commuter’s breath barely inches away (chicken balti was on the menu last night, I deduce) to the Tannoy announcements, played on a torturous endless loop, urging us repeatedly to ‘report unattended packages’ and ‘mind the gap’.

Even the lighting is a visual assault. Suddenly there’s a sharp jab in my ribs: ‘Oi, mate,’ a man beside me says. ‘You’re invading my personal space.’

Personal space? If only there was such a luxury. I feel I am on more intimate terms with this man than I am with my own wife. I can smell we share the same brand of shaving gel. His hair, still shower damp, is brushing against my cheek with every jolt and lurch of the carriage.

Welcome to the hell on wheels that is the 47-minute commute aboard Britain’s officially most overcrowded morning rush hour train, the 07.32 from Woking to London Waterloo.

Last month this South West Trains service was named in a list of shame of the Top Ten overcrowded train services in Britain.

According to the official Department for Transport figures, it’s overloaded by 154 per cent, meaning every morning there are 1,278 passengers playing a daily grim game of musical chairs for the 738 seats available.

All this seems a terrible shame, since rail travel at its best can be one of the divine pleasures of life.

As an author who spends much of his life writing about railways, no one loves trains more than me.

That eminent railway traveller, Paul Theroux, once wrote: ‘I have seldom heard a train go by and not wished I was on it.’ Would he want to be on the 07.32 from Woking? I doubt it.

The truth is that too much modern train travel has become like this, where we travel trapped in overpriced, garish, harshly lit, cacophonous, beeping plastic trains and squashed by a miserable mass of humanity.

Fellow passenger Georgina Kelly, 27, from Woking, on her way to her job as a PA in the City is trying to stay cool, and ‘zoned out’ with her iPod earphones in her ears. ‘I rarely get a seat,’ she says. ‘And for that I have to pay £320 a month for my ticket.’

Our carriage sways and lurches — not helped by the fact the line is basically unchanged since Victorian times, with an antiquated ‘third rail’ power system — the train is powered by an electric track underneath as opposed to the more modern and efficient overhead electricity cables.

The South West Trains service was named at the top of a list of shame recently, but bosses claim the antiquated railways are full, and that the company couldn't run more trains, even if it had them +5
The South West Trains service was named at the top of a list of shame recently, but bosses claim the antiquated railways are full, and that the company couldn't run more trains, even if it had them
They were introduced in the Twenties by the old Southern Railway and are now considered obsolete, yet no one has had the courage or resources to rip them out and start again.

Maria Gines, 26, from Weybridge, on her way to a property management course, says: ‘What I hate is the crush and people with bad breath in your face.

'It’s so packed I once had someone fall asleep on my shoulder standing up. And people are often unkind to elderly people and young children in the crush.’

Pinstriped Andy Duncan, 45, on his way to his job in the City, is squashed in the corridor outside the First Class section, which is two-thirds empty, but — at around £5,000 for a season ticket, compared to £3,500 in standard class — prohibitively expensive.

He says there are just too many excuses on the line. ‘They need to get their act together,’ he adds. ‘Last week, they cancelled this train. Can you imagine what hell it was on the one that followed?’

Hundreds of thousands across the UK suffer dire conditions like this on their daily scramble to work.

A miserable one in five of the 545,000 passengers travelling into London on any morning has to stand, with trains serving Paddington, Euston and Victoria the worst.

The chief of London’s biggest rail franchise, the Govia Thameslink, risked the wrath of passengers last week by saying he intended to tackle the problem of overcrowding by ‘making it easier to stand’. A euphemism for: ‘It’s getting worse, so take it or leave it.’

In the North, where many passengers have to stand for more than 20 minutes around Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool, the trains are often even worse — with elderly carriages made of bus parts, running on four, harsh-riding wheels in the style of the vehicles pulled by Stephenson’s Rocket.

Commuting wasn’t always as bad as this. Until the Eighties many commuter trains around the south of England had a buffet car, where you might treat yourself to a noggin or two to ease the pain on the way back from the office — and join your mates in the card schools which were features of such trains.

London Waterloo is at capacity at both morning and evening peak, but infrastructure to alleviate this will cost billions, and Treasury funding is unlikely any time soon +5
London Waterloo is at capacity at both morning and evening peak, but infrastructure to alleviate this will cost billions, and Treasury funding is unlikely any time soon
Brighton line commuters could relax in armchairs in Art Deco luxury on the Brighton Belle, breakfasting on freshly grilled kippers with a cheering Bucks Fizz.

Meanwhile, Edwardian era commuters on the Metropolitan Line into Baker Street could reserve seats in a Pullman car, where waiters in crisp uniforms would serve a full English breakfast amid the elegant mahogany marquetry, green damask blinds and thick carpets.

No chance of this today, where not a single train south of the Thames any longer has a buffet car, and on my 07.32, even if one of the elusive snack trolleys could be squeezed aboard, it would be crushed out of shape.

As if to confirm this, Barbara the guard announces as we reach Surbiton: ‘Due to sheer numbers of people on board, I can no longer walk down the train.’

Since privatisation 20 years ago, only around 6,000 new carriages have been built, and more than half our trains date from the old days of British Railways

No wonder, by the time we get to Waterloo, Britain’s busiest station, I’m limp and dizzy.

In a mere 47-minute journey, I’ve morphed into ‘Mr Angry Commuter of Woking’ and I’m looking for someone to blame.

In the old days I might have marched up to the stationmaster’s office and had a stiff word.

But in the fragmented and Kafkaesque world of Britain’s railway system today, no one takes full responsibility any more.

Ministers blame the train companies and the train firms blame Department for Transport bureaucrats.

In this bizarre Alice In Wonderland structure, although the railways are privatised, no new trains can be built without the say-so of the Government.

It’s a miserable fact that since privatisation 20 years ago, only around 6,000 new carriages have been built, and more than half our trains date from the old days of British Railways.

To keep up, industry experts say we should increase this number eightfold, but the main problem is the ancient infrastructure built on the Woking line by the London and Southampton Railway in 1840.

‘Our railway is full, and even if we had more trains we couldn’t run them,’ Tim Shoveller, boss of South West Trains, tells me.

‘Waterloo is at capacity in the morning and evening peak.’ State-of-the-art infrastructure would cost a fortune — and the Treasury is unlikely to stump up any time soon.

Ministers boast about London’s new £14.8 billion Crossrail commuter line, due to open in 2018. Yet the track record on improvements for London commuters is poor.

The new Thameslink commuter line is expected to finally open in four years’ time — 18 years behind schedule at a cost of £6 billion.

At the same time, ever more people are using the railways — with 1.6 billion annual passenger journeys, the highest ever, and rising.

But this isn’t because we’re all hooked on the joy of the train. Many are motorists put off by road congestion, or young people who can no longer afford a car.

But most are the poor bloody commuters — driven into the outer suburbs by sky-high London property prices.

The number of commuters travelling into the capital has risen by a third in the past four years alone.

Which means that Georgina, Maria and Andy on the Woking line — and others like them — are condemned to the hell of their daily commute, trapped in a ratchet of ever-higher season ticket costs.

Season tickets will rise by 2.5 per cent in the New Year, hiking yet again the most expensive fares in Europe. Ministers pledge the rise will fund future rail improvements. Scant comfort for many of us who will never see it in our lifetimes.

Mariko Fryatt, 30, from Esher, a City banker, spends £2,000 a year on her commute, most of which is spent in the aisle, yet confesses: ‘This is nothing compared to my home city of Tokyo, where they employ pushers to squash people on to the crammed trains.’

Please Mariko, I beg. Keep that suggestion to yourself.

At least they know that only the government has the authority to buy new trains :D
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the description of the third rail system :|
Wonder what can be done? It does stop everywhere until Surbiton, except Byfleet & New Haw, and takes 45 minutes to Waterloo. Never leave Woking busy because of that. Missing out Surbiton night be an idea, they have it as a fast train, but probably won't work. :?
 

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Of course they could always catch one of the (many) earlier trains, okay they are still full but not to the same state as that one!
 

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This is where I suggest the glorious South West Shinkansen.
London-Woking-Portsmouth/Southampton-Bournemouth/Salisbury

6tph on each branch, all 400m on and mostly double deck.
 

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Daily Mail said:
a man beside me says. ‘You’re invading my personal space.’

That clearly never happened.

I wonder how much else was made up to sex up the story?
 

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The Daily Mail have finally commissioned someone to travel on the 7.32 from Woking to Waterloo and write about their experiences.

I like the part:
‘Our railway is full, and even if we had more trains we couldn’t run them,’ Tim Shoveller, boss of South West Trains, tells me.*

‘Waterloo is at capacity in the morning and evening peak.’ State-of-the-art infrastructure would cost a fortune — and the Treasury is unlikely to stump up any time soon.

Ministers boast about London’s new £14.8 billion Crossrail commuter line, due to open in 2018. Yet the track record on improvements for London commuters is poor.

The new Thameslink commuter line is expected to finally open in four years’ time — 18 years behind schedule at a cost of £6 billion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tight-barely-breathe-ll-cost-3-500-year.html

My first comment is why would anyone board a slow service from Woking all the way to Waterloo but I guess in the interests of journalist research one must.

There is a 7.29 fast service which has a reasonable number of seats available, for that time of the morning, as I use to catch it instead of staying on a train from Guildford, which didn't have seats 99‰ of the time. Oh and for clarity, I always walk down the inside of the train, if I'm on a 20+ minute journey, to find a seat, so I usually know if no seats are actually available. Compared to those who say there are no seats but don't check.

My other thought for those alighting a intermediate stations is why travel on that service if it's so over crowded? Why not travel on the 7.47 or 8.02. Interestingly there is an 8.05 to Waterloo which waits a while at West Byfleet. Shame they can't run a 7.35 and hold that at West Byfleet too if needs be.

Of course then I look at how to get to Clapham Junction and find the cheapest way, without consulting the routing guide, is to catch the 7.32 or 8.02 as all the other options in-between involve going via London Waterloo, which costs an extra £4.90 on an anytime single - an increase of 59%. So no wonder people might be boarding that train as perhaps the 8.02 makes them miss their connection at Clapham Junction. Perhaps if they allowed people to travel via Waterloo that might ease the load. However South West Trains need to make money for the service to continue running so that won't be happening soon.

As Tim rightly says, the Treasury is unlikely to stump up any time soon, so I, as in Infobleep, feel this will continue for many years yet.
 
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