Derailed train between Arbroath/Montrose

[jamieintercity]

Still no services today, I think this mornings 0600 carnoustie to dundee ran but not sure what's happening with the sleeper or the freight as well?

 

[marks87]

Still no services today, I think this mornings 0600 carnoustie to dundee ran but not sure what's happening with the sleeper or the freight as well?

Sleeper passengers were sent via Perth for onward buses for stations between Dundee and Aberdeen inclusive. Although the 0600 Perth-Inverurie did run as far as Dundee, so presumably that was an option for some.

I'm not sure what that means for the Aberdeen sleeper stock. It might depend on what happened S/B - if it stayed in Aberdeen (and passengers were accommodated on the lowland or other parts of the highland) then I'd guess both the up and down were short-formed, so that there's a set at each end for tonight, tomorrow or whenever things get moving again.

 

[mr_moo]

Just looking at the railway maps of the area for interest (I work for NR so have looked at the sectional appendix and Marlin maps etc)

Linespeed in the area is 80mph.
The train has come to rest approx 350m after a set of trailing points. It's passed under a bridge as you can see from the photos - This bridge is "Kirkton road". It's here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Inv...r=Inverkeilor,+Angus,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17

If you scroll from there to the left along the track you'll see the points I mentioned.

I have no idea if the points were involved, but it's the first thing that I look for when trains come off!

 

[Blindtraveler]

v rare for anything to
actually
reach 80 on that stretch though

 

[mr_moo]

I may be mistaken, but from the look of those photos, the bridge in the background is the site where there was big flooding about a month ago bringing many services to a stop. Perhaps there is a link between the water that builds up in that area and the structural integrity of the tracks? May be far fetched though.

Not too far fetched. It's quite possible that the track has been tamped upwards over the years but that the track under the bridge has not been, to maintain clearance. This creates a natural sump under the bridge where water gathers. Add to that the fact the we are not very good at maintaining our drainage assets (Reference one recent-ish enforcement notice from the ORR re drainage and a whole new set of inspections and standards updates following on from it...) and you have quite a possible scenario. The pictures show that the railway is in slight cutting in that area so there would probably be drainage required. If it failed, the bridge would be a natural place where wet beds would develop, and maintenance would be fairly powerless to do anything major about it if clearances were tight, and would simply be regularly re-packing and re-digging the fouled ballast out.

I have no idea if this applies here but it is a feasible scenario.

 

[Inge]

Generally how long does it take before services are back to normal after a derailment? What is the method of clearing the line, do they use hydraulic jacks to put the train back on the rails or do they lift with a crane or something like that?

 

[GB]

Train was traveling at 76mph when the driver hit the emergency plunger.

As for how long recovery takes, that depends on a whole load of factors. What looks like a simple derailment might have caused more damage than what it actually looks like.

It doesn't help when the scene is classed as a scene of crime as this derailment site was.

 

[Pumbaa]

Train was driven away under own power some time ago. Pretty much untouched too. Remarkable really.

 

[jamieintercity]

the train is now stabled at dundee yard now

 

[gavinjustice]

I have heard that its now going to Craigentinny Depot this morning

 

[marks87]

British Transport Police have said they have uncovered evidence that a train that came off the track near Inverkeilor in Angus may have been deliberately derailed.

Officers searching the scene of the incident have discovered an obstruction, which they believe was placed there deliberately.

More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20226195

If it turns out to be deliberate, I hope they catch those responsible and throw the book at them. This could have been a whole lot worse in many different ways.

 

[jopsuk]

That it could possibly have been a deliberate act is of course why the site was treated as a crime scene for a period (delaying getting the train moved/other line open)

 

[GB]

http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Medi...lor-in-Angus-appeal-for-information-1d1f.aspx

 

[davido39]

I'm horrified at this. If this is a deliberate act (which it now seems it is) the person or persons are mindless fools. This could have been much worse than it was all for "a bit of a laugh"

What a sick world we live in!

 

[Cable Car]

I'm horrified at this. If this is a deliberate act (which it now seems it is) the person or persons are mindless fools. This could have been much worse than it was all for "a bit of a laugh"

What a sick world we live in!

Mindless fools could easily have become mass murderers.
Let's hope their caught and soon.

 

[dk1]

Absolutley horrendous if it is.If it was one of my family i would gladly grass them up

Hope GSM-R is up & running on this route.

 

[Crossover]

I found some pictures of it, not mine

http://tayrail.smugmug.com/Railways...n-4th/26329954_T3z9jD#!i=2194107699&k=jmW7v9t

As others have said, it is rather lucky that nothing was on the up line at the time.

Never known of an XC service take the form of a 2xxx reporting code before!

With regards to the posters asking about an 8 car Voyager - if there is substantial damage to the leading car, would it be possible to use the VT "hot-standby" cars (well, car) from 221 144?

(Oh wait, the last time I heard of them starting that two car unit up, the cab filled with smoke...maybe not then!!!)

 

[ValleyLines142]

As others have said, it is rather lucky that nothing was on the up line at the time.

Never known of an XC service take the form of a 2xxx reporting code before!

With regards to the posters asking about an 8 car Voyager - if there is substantial damage to the leading car, would it be possible to use the VT "hot-standby" cars (well, car) from 221 144?

(Oh wait, the last time I heard of them starting that two car unit up, the cab filled with smoke...maybe not then!!!)

I agree. This incident could have been ten times worse. Very pleased to hear that no one was seriously injured.

Indeed so. I believe the headcode was 2A40. This does happen quite a bit: for towns which only have one or two CrossCountry services a day, such as Aberdeen, Penzance and Guildford, a unit will form a service with a 2xxx headcode running from the nearest depot in the nearest larger city to that town, before working a long-distance service (in this case I believe 221131 was going to form 1V66 1112 Aberdeen to Plymouth). The same can be said for the other direction. There's an evening 2C80 2208 Penzance to Plymouth service, which is formed off either 1V58 (0900 Glasgow to Penzance) or 1V60 (0820 Aberdeen to Penzance).

As for 221144, this is a Virgin unit. Would CrossCountry be able to hire it or not? I have no idea on that one.

 

[matchmaker]

Mindless fools could easily have become mass murderers.
Let's hope their caught and soon.

Like this......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenock_rail_accident

 

[Eagle]

Never known of an XC service take the form of a 2xxx reporting code before!

Birmingham to Leicester stoppers?

 

[chris89]

I agree. This incident could have been ten times worse. Very pleased to hear that no one was seriously injured.

Indeed so. I believe the headcode was 2A40. This does happen quite a bit: for towns which only have one or two CrossCountry services a day, such as Aberdeen, Penzance and Guildford, a unit will form a service with a 2xxx headcode running from the nearest depot in the nearest larger city to that town, before working a long-distance service (in this case I believe 221131 was going to form 1V66 1112 Aberdeen to Plymouth). The same can be said for the other direction. There's an evening 2C80 2208 Penzance to Plymouth service, which is formed off either 1V58 (0900 Glasgow to Penzance) or 1V60 (0820 Aberdeen to Penzance).

As for 221144, this is a Virgin unit. Would CrossCountry be able to hire it or not? I have no idea on that one.

I wouldn't imagine they would be able to. Since 221144 has all the tilt gear and all the systems setup for it. Whilst i believe that XC drivers no longer sign tilt activated stock?

Chris

 

[D1009]

With regards to the posters asking about an 8 car Voyager - if there is substantial damage to the leading car, would it be possible to use the VT "hot-standby" cars (well, car) from 221 144?

No need, they have spare HSTs most of the week, and in fact one was used last Saturday as a result of the Monifeith fatality.

 

[michael769]

UPDATE:

Incident is being treated as an intentional derailment. East Coast, Scotrail and Cross Country have jointly issued a £25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of whoever was involved in the crime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20340384

 

[ainsworth74]

Has this ever happened before with TOCs offering a reward for information leading an arrest? They obviously really want these people (and who can blame them).

 

[michael769]

RAIB have confirmed that they will not be investigating this issue any further:

On 4 November 2012 at approximately 10:00 hrs, the front bogie of the leading vehicle of the 08:04 hrs CrossCountry Trains service from Edinburgh to Aberdeen derailed in the vicinity of Inverkeilor in Scotland.

RAIB deployed inspectors to site to carry out a preliminary examination of the circumstances.

Having evaluated the evidence from site, the RAIB has concluded that it will not be leading the investigation into the cause of the derailment. Since an obstruction found at the scene is believed to have been placed there deliberately, the RAIB has agreed that the British Transport Police should conduct the ongoing investigation. As is normal in such cases, the evidence obtained by the RAIB during its site activities is to be shared with the BTP.

http://www.raib.gov.uk/latest_news/121104_pn_inverkeilor.cfm