Derailed Loco at Wymondham

[Trainfan344]

57 009 has derailed at Wymondham, looks like it was heading towards the Mid Norfolk Railway.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2015-10-20/services-hit-by-derailed-tran/

Train services between Norwich and Peterborough and Cambridge have been suspended after a freight train was derailed at Wymondham.

Trainer operator Abellio Greater Anglia says it doesn't know when normal services will resume.

 

[TheEdge]

Looks like two recovery units are on the way (assuming that's what a BRUFF is...), doesn't look like anything will run till the end of service today. As for tomorrow, who knows at this point...

 

[SPADTrap]

57 009 has derailed at Wymondham, looks like it was heading towards the Mid Norfolk Railway.

Coming off rather than heading towards.

 

[lordbusiness]

We don't have much luck with RHTT over here. Last year a level crossing demolished, this year.....

 

[Trainfan344]

Coming off rather than heading towards.

Ah, My mistake, I just saw the tail lights and presumed!

 

[Carntyne]

Looks like two recovery units are on the way (assuming that's what a BRUFF is...), doesn't look like anything will run till the end of service today. As for tomorrow, who knows at this point...

Yep. It'a a Road/Rail vehicle & crew which will re-rail the loco

https://www.safety.networkrail.co.uk/Services/Jargon-Buster/B/BP-BT/BRUFF

 

[eastdyke]

RHTT OTR?

Pictures from EDP:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...278186&usg=AFQjCNGGCRndmmS5djZxgmkHk3TJ4T9H_Q

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Would the points be controlled from the signalbox seen in the background of the 1st photo?

 

[Taunton]

doesn't look like anything will run till the end of service today. As for tomorrow, who knows at this point...

What ever happened to single line working past an incident which is not, as in this case, blocking all lines.

 

[Trainfan344]

What ever happened to single line working past an incident which is not, as in this case, blocking all lines.

I'm presuming lack of crossovers, from what I can remember, the only crossover in the area is a trailing crossover near the signal box.

 

[TheEdge]

Would the points be controlled from the signalbox seen in the background of the 1st photo?

No. That box, along with all the Breckland ones is was closed a few years ago and mothballed, although none have been demolished yet. All controlled from Cambridge PSB.

What ever happened to single line working past an incident which is not, as in this case, blocking all lines.

Like Trainfan344 says, its the crossovers. I think the next available one between the derailment and Norwich is Trowse junction, which is all of a minute from Norwich station.

 

[GB]

We don't have much luck with RHTT over here. Last year a level crossing demolished, this year.....

This wasn't an RHTT.

 

[DarloRich]

This wasn't an RHTT.

it looks like an RHTT in the pictures - what was it?

 

[ChiefPlanner]

it looks like an RHTT in the pictures - what was it?

It was an RHTT train - and it derailed one trailing bogie on the 57 - over the points , requiring some considerable re-sleepering on rerailing.

 

[carriageline]

I'm presuming lack of crossovers, from what I can remember, the only crossover in the area is a trailing crossover near the signal box.

Even if there was crossovers, getting the staff these days is a massive struggle. It would seem it's just easier to stick busses on.

My area has plenty of crossovers, but SLW would be unworkable as I bet they couldn't get the handsignallers and pilotman, never mind any barrier attendants.

 

[cjohnson]

Interesting choice of photo to illustrate this story in the Cambridge News...!

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Train-derails-Cambridge-Line/story-28019772-detail/story.html

 

[SPADTrap]

This wasn't an RHTT.

It was a 'maintenance trip' for RHTT equipment. It was a train conveying RHTT equipment.

 

[jopsuk]

looking at the 2009 Baseline Declaration version of the Sectional Appendix, there doesn't appear to be a single facing crossover between Ely & Norwich. Between the derailed loco and Norwich there's a ground frame at the other end of Wymondham station. Really, to run single line working along here would mean operating as a single line from Trowse Junction to Ely North Junction, a distance of over 50 miles

 

[GB]

My apologies, I was confused by the headcode.
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looking at the 2009 Baseline Declaration version of the Sectional Appendix, there doesn't appear to be a single facing crossover between Ely & Norwich. Between the derailed loco and Norwich there's a ground frame at the other end of Wymondham station. Really, to run single line working along here would mean operating as a single line from Trowse Junction to Ely North Junction, a distance of over 50 miles

There's one at Brandon isn't there?

In anycase, if it came to it I don't think there is anything to stop you using a trailing crossover.

 

[Sleepy]

Interesting choice of photo to illustrate this story in the Cambridge News...!

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Train-derails-Cambridge-Line/story-28019772-detail/story.html

and was the "journalist" 11 years old ??? There were no passengers on the freight train. No sh&t Sherlock !! :roll::roll::roll:

 

[jopsuk]

Interesting choice of photo to illustrate this story in the Cambridge News...!

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Train-derails-Cambridge-Line/story-28019772-detail/story.html

Was it still the picture of a Class 395 on HS1 when you posted that? It's now a 365 in NSE livery

 

[Crossover]

In anycase, if it came to it I don't think there is anything to stop you using a trailing crossover.

You mean via a double shunt? (i.e. pass over the crossover wrong line, shunt back across the crossover to the correct line, change direction once more continuing in the original direction but on the correct road?)

 

[Johnny_w]

Just out of interest why would the RHTT Set (Weather it's an actual RHTT or not ) be going to/from the MNR?

seems a strange move non?

 

[dk1]

looking at the 2009 Baseline Declaration version of the Sectional Appendix, there doesn't appear to be a single facing crossover between Ely & Norwich. Between the derailed loco and Norwich there's a ground frame at the other end of Wymondham station. Really, to run single line working along here would mean operating as a single line from Trowse Junction to Ely North Junction, a distance of over 50 miles

The next facing crossover would be Brandon. Trailing ones available at Eccles Road, Thetford & Brandon.
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Just out of interest why would the RHTT Set (Weather it's an actual RHTT or not ) be going to/from the MNR?

seems a strange move non?

DRS have used Dereham for many years for maintainence.

 

[Taunton]

You mean via a double shunt? (i.e. pass over the crossover wrong line, shunt back across the crossover to the correct line, change direction once more continuing in the original direction but on the correct road?)

I suppose it's one of those things but single line working was always traditionally put in (in about 10 minutes) using trailing crossovers, which took just a couple of minutes to push back over and then set forward wrong line. The Wrong Line Forms (another bit of history I presume) envisaged this was how it would be done.

 

[dk1]

Back in the day we always has local signallers in the area who could be called in to help out with such unplanned events. We have plenty of SLW going on on the GEML at the moment thanks to the HOBC. No Bi-Di North of Colchester to help out.

 

[Ploughman]

Was it on Network rails or on the Mid Norfolk when it came off?

 

[dk1]

Was it on Network rails or on the Mid Norfolk when it came off?

Network Rail. On the connection to the down Norwich.

 

[455driver]

I suppose it's one of those things but single line working was always traditionally put in (in about 10 minutes) using trailing crossovers, which took just a couple of minutes to push back over and then set forward wrong line. The Wrong Line Forms (another bit of history I presume) envisaged this was how it would be done.

Back 'in the day' (yawn) drivers were allowed to set back from the leading cab, that isn't permitted any more except in exceptional circumstances, there also needs to be a pilotman in place now etc but then you know all that but would rather have a dig!

 

[Murph]

I suppose it's one of those things but single line working was always traditionally put in (in about 10 minutes) using trailing crossovers, which took just a couple of minutes to push back over and then set forward wrong line. The Wrong Line Forms (another bit of history I presume) envisaged this was how it would be done.

Here's an official steam era training film for it:

[youtube]F79R3Fg-pPY[/youtube]

Edit: Note the lack of death and destruction despite the complete lack of orange.