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skyhigh

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Earlier this week I was delayed by around 25 minutes on both the outwards and return legs of my journey with Thameslink, entitling me to 25% delay repay. My ticket was a return Harpenden - London travelcard, costing £19.60. They've decided that I'm owed £2.50 for each leg.

Is this correct, and if so how is it calculated?

Many thanks :)
 
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They're probably assuming you made lots of journeys within the Travelcard area.

Harpenden-London CDR alone is £14, so arguably you are entitled to £3.50 each way.
 

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I forgot to mention I used a railcard, so the actual fare I bought was this

Both journeys were also in 'peak' time.
 

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I forgot to mention I used a railcard, so the actual fare I bought was this

Both journeys were also in 'peak' time.
Yes, to perform a calculation accurately we would need to know details like that ;) As an undiscounted ODT is also £19.60, however the respective London Thameslink fares are different.

In that case, I would argue (but no doubt GTR would disagree with me) that the value of those journeys is ~£7.80 each way (half of the £15.65 SDR) and you should be entitled to £3.90 each way.

The problem with tickets that permit multiple journeys is that it is difficult to have universal agreement for a fair method of assigning 'value' to any particular leg for which that ticket was used. It's difficult to argue that you should be entitled to less than the relevant proportion of a Harpenden-London ticket, especially if all you did was a couple of tube journeys off-peak (which, for comparison purposes, would have cost less on their own than what you paid if you had an Oyster loaded with a Railcard discount, but would have cost more if you didn't). But there is no way for the train company to know what you did in London and arguably it wouldn't make sense to pay people holding the exact same fare, who incurred the exact same delays, differing amounts and wouldn't be practicable either.

I'd simply state what I think the calculation should be, and say that you trust they will send you the difference. I'd add that if they are not prepared to send the difference, I would like a breakdown of exactly how they calculated that sum and state that I would take the matter to London Travelwatch. That alone should make GTR go for the easy option and simply send you the difference.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I only did two tube journeys, but I don't have an oyster so the travelcard option was cheaper.

I'll update with what Thameslink say - it only took 2 days for them to process the claim, so I'm assuming it was calculated automatically and a proper response might take longer but we'll see!
 

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I would hazard a guess that they're calculating it based on a nominal value of £9.80 for each leg, in which case £2.50 is actually slightly more than 25%...
 

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The Thameslink website says that compensation is calculated as "for a return ticket at least 25% of the fare paid for the affected portion". Therefore it would seem that yorkie has overcalculated somewhat.
 

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The compensation is correct. It is normal practice to treat the Travelcard as a return ticket, so you are entitled to 25% of half of £19.60 each way, which makes £2.45 for each leg, £4.90 in total.

On the £14 CDR, the compensation would be £1.75 each way with 15-minute delays.
 

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Ah right OK, I see where I've been getting it wrong now - thanks all for clearing that up, I agree it's right!
 
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