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The 120s were withdrawn from Intercity use in July 2020 after replacement on the Stuttgart - Munich route by 101s, which were displaced by the introduction ICE 4 and IC2 sets. The DB Regio examples used on the Hamburg - Rostock route were withdrawn in Decemeber 2020, though I'm not sure what replaced them. A small number of 120s remain in freight use.
It's 112s on Hamburg Luebeck route and seems most already replaced by 146s.
My mistake! Didn't realise 146s had been drafted in to replace them earlier, thought the 114s were staying until the Stadler units arrived, that's a shame!
but the 101s will also be withdrawn once 102s, ICE-4s and ICE-L Displace them, I am not sure if DB Historic department will keep one example or two as Exhibits or some companies may want them......
If the 103s and 120s are anything to go by quite likely both. There are 103s and 120s both in the DB Museum in Koblenz and in private use.
It's going to be interesting to see exactly what happens with them. I've no doubt that at least two or three will end up in preservation, but I'm not entirely convinced that private operators will be willing to chance it with such a highly-specialised and technologically-complex locomotive unless they really want the high top speed, and/or they get a really good price.
I had thought the same about the 120s but a few of them have ended up in private freight use. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
Private operators wanting high top speed already have the choice of leasing ES64U2s from MRCE (with possibility to buy, too) or Vectrons from any number of lessors. Given the much bigger number of ES64U2s built than 101s, getting support for them from Siemens is going to be easier than going to Alstom for support for an ever decreasing number of 101s.
But wiki said the following statement of IC2, Anyone have ideas if the statement is trustworthy enough? PS Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercity_2
What’s happened is the IC2 or ICE4 (not sure which in this case) has gone onto a route previously 101 worked, but the 101s have been temporarily shifted to the Stuttgart - Munich route to allow the 120s to be withdrawn first. The 101s will eventually be removed from that route too.
Very true, and of course the 101 doesn't have the cross-border approval that the Taurus and Vectron models do.
The 120s "last stand" of diagrams in any numbers was directly replaced by IC2 on the Nuremburg-Stuttgart-Karlsruhe axis. They've only had the odd turn to/from Munich for maintenance in the last year,s most other work being on dated and standby turns with other ICs not really concentrated. Its a misnomer to suggest they were solid on Stuttgart-Munich and replaced by cascaded 101s, most hauled trains on that route have been 101s for donkeys.
That was the information I had. I knew about a small amount of work to Karlsruhe but had heard no mention of Nuremberg. Also had no idea it was a direct replacement by IC2s.
Good point. Just Germany, Austria and to Basel SBB approved for the 101s. They also don’t have ETCS, which will increasingly restrict their use, which the Taurus and Vectron do have.
PS IC2 include the ex Westbahn KISS, however I wondered if the 4010s from Westbahn will go to DB Fernverkehr and when will the KISS 3 and the CRRC EMU in Westbahn Start service so the 4010s can move.
The METs are for the chop at the end of the year: https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/Aktuelles/Der-Exot-des-Fernverkehrs-geht-in-Rente-6347308
Anyone know which service the last MET set is being used on (train number would help), or do they get used on different services?
Must admit not seen one for years, think last time I went on one was 2011; what do they work now?
That would take a while to work my way through that!! Only interested in anyone knew off the top of their head. Thanks anyway!
Thanks, and have looked up on vagenweb
Also, the 101s are approaching the age when 103 withdrawals began, having been much more intensively used. Reunification and the comparative failure of the 120s also helped the 103s to a longer life than one might have expected.
My last Nightjet from Switzerland to Germany (going nowhere near Austria) was already hauled by an OBB Taurus (except for the first part which was an RE460) - they do seem to be able to manage without DB help.
That page is a bit out of date, and arguably misleading. IC2 now refers to both to the Bombardier trains for 160km/h (are DB still refusing deliveries?) and the Stadlers for 200km/h.
But are the ÖBB Vectrons Authorized for Passenger services?
Given that the Talgo sets are planned for use on the Berlin-Amsterdam service, the 101s would be useless once they got to the Dutch border.
They've been tested on ÖBB double deck and single deck "City shuttle" stock, so even if not fully approved it's not going to be much of a job to get the paperwork done. There's plenty of Vectrons around Europe used on passenger work.
It is not hard to translate things these days. With the right app it takes me a second to translate a word.
