Dawlish sea wall collapse

[Graiser]

That probably has something to do with it.


Havent a clue, I was sent a picture of the rock with NETWORK RAIL written through it.
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Most of the staff are from agencies not Network Rail, I would think they would like a bit of a rest for now!

A lot of the work has been done by Amco.

To set the record straight as I'm getting slightly annoyed by assumptions by some.
Network Rail local Capex team carried out all the track works from Dawlish Warren to Kennaway Tunnel including the relaying over the main breach and were continuously on site from Feb 4th

 

[D1009]

Wow what a great photo and how smart the train looks! Long Rock have done a great job - just wish we could be confident that Worst Late Western top management were as clued...

I think that's unfair in the context of this thread, I think FGW did a brilliant job in looking after people, providing free tea and coffee at Exeter and Newton Abbot, doing a massive job in organising replacement coaches to convey not only their own passengers but also XC who were just as badly affected. The partnership with Network Rail was also impressive.

 

[Daniel Pyke]

To set the record straight as I'm getting slightly annoyed by assumptions by some.
Network Rail local Capex team carried out all the track works from Dawlish Warren to Kennaway Tunnel including the relaying over the main breach and were continuously on site from Feb 4th

I think it is fair to say it was a huge team effort from all parties involved, from NR, NDS and all the contractors involved in the repair works.

It just shows that when we put our minds to something we can still work wonders.

 

[455driver]

To set the record straight as I'm getting slightly annoyed by assumptions by some.
Network Rail local Capex team carried out all the track works from Dawlish Warren to Kennaway Tunnel including the relaying over the main breach and were continuously on site from Feb 4th

So you are stating that every person on that site was employed by network rail are you?

There were a lot of blue hats on site, did NR have a massive recruitment drive down there?

Why did I hear about Amco wrecking all the TPWS aerials, axle counters etc by running over them with their heavy machinery etc instead of removing them first, or are you saying my (S&T) source is wrong?

Only one axle counter was damaged by the storm, all the other stuff was wrecked by Amco etc. Or are you saying Network Rail staff did all the damage?

Do you know which company are making the new Axle counters?
Siemens, but the axle counters will give all the fault messages in German so all the staff have had to learn about 25 words of german so they can understand the codes presented to them.

 

[richw]

455driver,BBC Spotlight last night had the Amco MD on the program, discussing how as the contractor for the project they had carried it out. Within that program it was confirmed by that MD the entire work was carried out by his workforce.

 

[455driver]

Cheers RichW, I missed that one, I dont tend to watch the BBC news.

 

[ainsworth74]

Network Rail or Amco or some other company, to all the people in orange, well done!

Happy now

 

[455driver]

Network Rail or Amco or some other company, to all the people in orange, well done!

I do of course agree whole heartedly with this ^^^ statement and have posted as such several times.

Happy now

Of course not, what do you take me for!

 

[G0ORC]

I do of course agree whole heartedly with this ^^^ statement and have posted as such several times.



Of course not, what do you take me for!

...no comment...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Of course not, what do you take me for!

You do not build up a noted reputation as the scourge of the upper echelons without ensuring that there are no slippages of vehemency, as Dennis Skinner might well have been heard to say..

 

[Michael.Y]

highly unusual to see a loco hauled photo at Penzance

Not really. That runs all week, one in each direction, so twice a day there's LHS at Penzance.

 

[Graiser]

So you are stating that every person on that site was employed by network rail are you?

There were a lot of blue hats on site, did NR have a massive recruitment drive down there?

Why did I hear about Amco wrecking all the TPWS aerials, axle counters etc by running over them with their heavy machinery etc instead of removing them first, or are you saying my (S&T) source is wrong?

Only one axle counter was damaged by the storm, all the other stuff was wrecked by Amco etc. Or are you saying Network Rail staff did all the damage?

Do you know which company are making the new Axle counters?
Siemens, but the axle counters will give all the fault messages in German so all the staff have had to learn about 25 words of german so they can understand the codes presented to them.

Instead of going all high and mighty you might actually read my post. The inference from many posters is AMCO carried out the works which is further supported by the next post below yours.
So I'll spell it out so you'll perhaps understand:

Principal Contractor : Bam Nuttall
Other main Contractors :
AMCO
SISK
Dyer and Butler
Network Rail Maintenance
Amey Colas
Numerous other sub contractors, fire brigade, Imerys, security company

I've never implied there were no other contractors on that site, particularly with all the site signs advertising that fact it would be very stupid to do so
My gripe was the implication by some posters on here that there wasn't much input by network rail locally.
I'm quite aware who damaged most of the s&t equipment, having been on site every weekday since Feb 4th I think I'm qualified to say that.
Additionally the whole project was very ably Project Managed by the network rail IP civils team
One other point, the presence of blue hats also refers to new entrants for network rail staff and their labour suppliers as well as non PTS civils companies !

 

[455driver]

Instead of going all high and mighty

So I'll spell it out so you'll perhaps understand:

Kettle and pot springs to mind! :roll:

 

[Graiser]

Kettle and pot springs to mind! :roll:

Too your mind maybe, I'm merely trying to explain my post, you can sit behind your keyboard and fire off your remarks, and if that what does it for you, then you just crack on

 

[sor]

I think that's unfair in the context of this thread, I think FGW did a brilliant job in looking after people, providing free tea and coffee at Exeter and Newton Abbot, doing a massive job in organising replacement coaches to convey not only their own passengers but also XC who were just as badly affected. The partnership with Network Rail was also impressive.

I'm inclined to agree. As a twice-weekly traveller from Cornwall I can't really fault FGW's effort in all of this. The coaches from Bodmin were rather nice, especially at 5am where there's only a couple of people who could be bothered to get out of bed (a lot less than the train would have had). The coaches arrived more or less at the same time as the train would have done, the only difference is having to change at Tiverton. There were free drinks at Tiverton too (raffle ticket for the station cafe) and a first class trolley parked on the concourse at Plymouth. The 25% discount was nice too.

My main beef during the disruption was the Highways Agency deciding to close the A38 for a couple of weeks, meaning having to get on a 150 to Plymouth and get a full coach from there (and back), adding an hour onto the time. But that's not FGW's fault, although they could have possibly moved the Bodmin coach stop to somewhere like St. Austell as it was otherwise running direct between Truro and Tiverton.

 

[Goatboy]

The 25% discount was nice too.

If you were lucky enough to get it - unfortunately quite a high proportion of the fares through Dawlish are controlled by XC who declined to match FGW, meaning that many customers found themselves paying full price despite all the signs proudly offering 25% off.

XC instead offered a largely worthless gesture whereby if you bought an Advance, it only needed to be as far as Exeter. Thanks, given that most XC Advances are 10p less than the walkon fare anyway and useless for people making return journeys.

Thanks XC.

 

[sor]

If you were lucky enough to get it - unfortunately quite a high proportion of the fares through Dawlish are controlled by XC who declined to match FGW, meaning that many customers found themselves paying full price despite all the signs proudly offering 25% off.

XC instead offered a largely worthless gesture whereby if you bought an Advance, it only needed to be as far as Exeter. Thanks, given that most XC Advances are 10p less than the walkon fare anyway and useless for people making return journeys.

Thanks XC.

BRfares seems to think that at least for the journeys I made, FGW set the fare (makes sense, as they run the only services between, say London and Cornwall). I guess if you stray from the FGW area then it'll be different.

 

[Goatboy]

BRfares seems to think that at least for the journeys I made, FGW set the fare (makes sense, as they run the only services between, say London and Cornwall). I guess if you stray from the FGW area then it'll be different.

Even some journeys within the FGW area are controlled by XC.

For example, Newton Abbot to Gloucester. Passed through Dawlish. Uses FGW from Bristol to Gloucester and you can use FGW from Newton Abbot to Bristol too. Zero discount offered as its an XC fare.

 

[infobleep]

Did the newspapers complain about XC or did they give up once FGW had offered their discount.

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[Goatboy]

Don't think XC got a mention.

Just a load of bad press for poor old FGW who were accused of 'profiteering' for daring to remove Advance fares for a bit whilst they worked out what was going on.

 

[infobleep]

Did XC remove their advance fares too?

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[Western Lord]

Even some journeys within the FGW area are controlled by XC.

For example, Newton Abbot to Gloucester. Passed through Dawlish. Uses FGW from Bristol to Gloucester and you can use FGW from Newton Abbot to Bristol too. Zero discount offered as its an XC fare.

XC only serves Gloucester once a day each way, all other Bristol-Gloucester trains are FGW, so you can use FGW all the way!

 

[eastdyke]

Now that trains are running again, please does anybody know the plans for removal of the rubble filled containers? Both the method and timing of removal?

And is consideration being given to making the lower section of seawall up to full height?

Thanks.

 

[CC 72100]

XC only serves Gloucester once a day each way, all other Bristol-Gloucester trains are FGW, so you can use FGW all the way!

Yes, but surely anyone travelling from Newton Abbot -> Gloucester is likely to do the bulk of their journey with XC? The logical journey would be XC to Cheltenham, for a ATW/XC/FGW service to Gloucester.

It seems to me to be logical that XC price this fare, even if the whole of the journey is in the FGW 'area', given that they'd take the majority of passengers on this flow.

 

[Graiser]

Now that trains are running again, please does anybody know the plans for removal of the rubble filled containers? Both the method and timing of removal?

And is consideration being given to making the lower section of seawall up to full height?

Thanks.

I've heard nothing about raising the lower section of seawall but the latest thinking on the containers is to remove them by barge, which will happen when the Brunel wall is rebuilt.

 

[D1009]

Did XC remove their advance fares too?

I think they would have been forced to during the periods of uncertainty as to what would run, their services were also very badly affected by the flooding of the Bristol Taunton route.

 

[LateThanNever]

I've heard nothing about raising the lower section of seawall but the latest thinking on the containers is to remove them by barge, which will happen when the Brunel wall is rebuilt.

Are the Brunel walls listed? Otherwise - in fact even so - this seems crazy! Removing by barge will be a challenge! Unkindly hope it's on the webcam!

 

[Goatboy]

Yes, but surely anyone travelling from Newton Abbot -> Gloucester is likely to do the bulk of their journey with XC? The logical journey would be XC to Cheltenham, for a ATW/XC/FGW service to Gloucester.

It seems to me to be logical that XC price this fare, even if the whole of the journey is in the FGW 'area', given that they'd take the majority of passengers on this flow.

It would use XC the amount same as a journey from Newton Abbot to Bristol Temple Meads, a journey that is priced by FGW and attracted the 25% discount as a result.

There are several FGW HST services from Newton Abbot to Bristol per day, and from Bristol to Gloucester you'd be on FGW anyway.

 

[eastdyke]

I've heard nothing about raising the lower section of seawall but the latest thinking on the containers is to remove them by barge, which will happen when the Brunel wall is rebuilt.

Thanks.
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Are the Brunel walls listed? Otherwise - in fact even so - this seems crazy! Removing by barge will be a challenge! Unkindly hope it's on the webcam!

The South Devon Railway is listed by English Heritage as a linear monument. The sea wall at this point is part of the South West Coastal Path (currently closed and on diversion to the inland route at Dawlish).

 

[LateThanNever]

The South Devon Railway is listed by English Heritage as a linear monument. The sea wall at this point is part of the South West Coastal Path (currently closed and on diversion to the inland route at Dawlish).

First time I've heard of a "linear" monument!

The new website for the line http://therivieraline.com/appears to have left it out too!