Darlington to York

[dickdarlington]

Now then.

Hoping you can help. I am a great fan (like most) of breaking a journey to get a better deal on my train travel. But I have always struggled between Darlington and York. Has anyone got any tips for travelling between Darlington and Yorkshire (anywhere to save money going south, as I've found that is the best place to break a journey).

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[First class]

You mean "split". A break of journey can lead to also sorts of ticket validity issues.

 

[bnm]

Potato - Potato.

Hardly.

A 'Break of Journey' and 'Split Ticketing' are two entirely different things.

Potato - Tomato

 

[LexyBoy]

A break of journey could be considered the opposite of splitting a journey.

BoJ = Making a series of journeys A>B, then B>C, then C>D, all on an A-D ticket
Splitting = Making a single journey A>D on a series of tickets - A-B, B-C and C-D.

Regarding your question, I believe there are some useful splitting options - yorkie would be your man there. IIRC there are some fares between Thirsk and stations to the north which are valid via York.

A break of journey can lead to also sorts of ticket validity issues.

Could you explain please?

 

[First class]

Could you explain please?

Some tickets do not permit Break of Journey, i.e. London Midland Super Off Peak so are not really any good for "split" fares.

 

[LexyBoy]

Some tickets do not permit Break of Journey, i.e. London Midland Super Off Peak so are not really any good for "split" fares.

You mean by using a ticket as one of your "splits" with a routeing which is only partially covered by the train being used? I can see that (though it can be argued that you're not "breaking your journey").

I was just a bit confused by your original post - surely the ticket validity is the same whether you break your journey or not! Of course, BoJ may not be allowed - and it can be hard to work out which trains are permitted from an intermediate station, depending on the wording of the restriciton.

 

[455driver]

Some tickets do not permit Break of Journey, i.e. London Midland Super Off Peak so are not really any good for "split" fares.

They are useful for "split" fares because you are using 2 tickets in their entirety to cover the whole journey you are making, you want to go from A-C but buy tickets from A-B and B-C because it works out cheaper than buying 1 ticket from A-C, you can use ANY ticket for splitting.
Dont confuse splitting with break of journey, they are very different.

 

[dickdarlington]

Right. Okay. Can anyone help with my original question please? I think we all know that I was intending on splitting the journey as you put it.

 

[yorkie]

A very bizarre thread.

There are only two stations between York and Darlington, one is Thirsk (where not many Darlington trains call), and the other is Northallerton. So the potential answers are extremely limited.

So the answer is: it can be cheaper to buy a "combination of tickets", "splitting" at Northallerton (the rules on this are in NRCoC Condition 19)

BOJ is very different, and consists of exiting station premises (except in certain circumstances; see NRCoC), if the station is not exited (using Coopers at York, for example, is not exiting the station) then a "break of journey" has not occurred. BOJ is permitted unless it is "made clear" in notices and publications that it is not.

 

[Darandio]

So the answer is: it can be cheaper to buy a "combination of tickets", "splitting" at Northallerton (the rules on this are in NRCoC Condition 19)

Yes, that seems the only answer. Off the top of my head it's around £18 return from Darlington to York, but Darlington to Northallerton + Northallerton to York returns are around £14.50.

 

[DarloRich]

Yes, that seems the only answer. Off the top of my head it's around £18 return from Darlington to York, but Darlington to Northallerton + Northallerton to York returns are around £14.50.

i think you could save a bit more by driving to Eaglescliffe and getting the Grand Central!

I have always found this journey to be very expensive for a turn up and go ticket. It doesnt do much to suggest taking the train for a day out in York is a good idea!

 

[Darandio]

It's classed as a "fast/premium" stretch though isn't it. The same reason as to why you can go to both Darlington and Northallerton on a Tyne Tees Day Ranger, but not use the fast stretch, you have to go via Eaglescliffe. Whether correct or not, I have always found that a bit pedantic considering you can happily use the ticket between Darlington and Newcastle.

 

[cuccir]

As Yorkie and Darandio say, there are not a lot of options. A couple of further responses - not very subtle but they might help:

* Cross County only anytime day tickets will save you money if you want to travel in the peak

* There are usually advance tickets available the day before travel. For example, travelling tomorrow (20/10), I can find tickets which allow me to do a return for £16.50. For relatively low savings, this is only worth it if you are sure that you can travel on those trains, and if money is tight, because you are restricted to the booked train and cannot change your ticket. I wouldn't normally recommend these for a short journey, but it is an option.

There are other things that you can do if you are travelling further south than York (Doncaster can be good for splitting tickets down to London because it is served by three different operators, for example)

 

[DarloRich]

It's classed as a "fast/premium" stretch though isn't it. The same reason as to why you can go to both Darlington and Northallerton on a Tyne Tees Day Ranger, but not use the fast stretch, you have to go via Eaglescliffe. Whether correct or not, I have always found that a bit pedantic considering you can happily use the ticket between Darlington and Newcastle.

No - i am saying drive to Eaglescliffe ( or northallerton) form Darlo and get the GC form there

 

[Darandio]

No - i am saying drive to Eaglescliffe ( or northallerton) form Darlo and get the GC form there

I know you were.

I was just pointing out why the walk up fare seems so expensive for so little.

 

[142094]

TPE used to do advances between York and Darlo.

 

[DarloRich]

I know you were.

I was just pointing out why the walk up fare seems so expensive for so little.

sorry! I do find that the prcies on this section are very high!