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Daily Mail on the attack over driver wages

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Darandio

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Noticed this on the front page when at the supermarket this morning. I've linked to the page as per forum rules but for your own sanity just read the quote rather than go to the DM website.

A basic summary would be that they believe drivers are already paid too much, don't work enough days/hours and the amount they already receive means they should be driving trains any day of the week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-doing-overtime-work-UK-network-running.html

What a way to run a railway: Nine in ten firms have train drivers on four-day week (average salary £53k) and half rely on them to volunteer for Sundays

Rail firms are relying on drivers doing overtime to keep the network running, the Daily Mail reveals today.

Our investigation found that drivers with 18 of the 20 largest operators are on four-day weeks of no more than 36 hours. Half of them are not even obliged to work on Sundays.

It means bosses have to offer up to £340 a day in overtime – and hope staff volunteer for weekends. Some of those picking up the extra cash are already on £65,000 a year.

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The working practices have been blamed for hundreds of delayed or cancelled services.

Unions claim the train companies are at fault for not hiring more drivers, who are on basic salaries averaging £53,000.

The issue of driver availability was highlighted during the World Cup. On July 15 – the day of the final – Northern Rail, which operates a four-day working week, cancelled 170 services because scores of drivers had opted out of overtime to watch the football.

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Long-distance services run by Great Western Rail were also cancelled. It relies on drivers working voluntarily because they are not contracted to do Sundays.

Both operators admitted their lines were disrupted by 'reduced' or 'unavailable' staff.

The four-day working week was proposed following the privatisation of British Rail, which began in 1994.

It was rolled out by the majority of major operators by the turn of the century and requires drivers to do no more than 36 hours in total over four days.

Official guidance from the Office of Rail and Road says they can work up to 48 hours a week – allowing plenty of scope for overtime.

Drivers with Southern Rail can earn up to £70,000 a year with overtime payments.

A typical overtime rate includes a 15 per cent boost to a driver's daily rate of £250, plus a £50 bonus for working the overtime shift – meaning they can receive as much as £337 a day.

Insiders say drivers like their extra earning power and unions can use an overtime ban as leverage in negotiations with employers.

But Tory MP Grant Shapps said: 'Given the way passengers have suffered this past couple of months, it must be time to end the system where it's voluntary to turn up to work.

'Commuters need to know that when the timetable says a train is running, there's someone there to drive it.

'Drivers are already properly remunerated, so it shouldn't be too much to expect trains to run efficiently every day of the week.'

There has been widespread chaos on the railways this summer due to the introduction of new timetables in May.

Last week Northern, West Midlands Railway and Arriva Trains Wales blamed cancellations on a shortage of drivers. All allow drivers to work a four-day week with voluntary overtime.

Drivers and other rail workers have been striking repeatedly since 2016, when Southern first introduced driver-only operation and effectively abolished the role of the train guard in operating passenger doors.

The RMT union led the first wave of action before being joined by Aslef, which represents the vast majority of the country's 22,000 train drivers.

It was estimated that 300,000 passengers were affected by Southern strikes over 15 months.

Passengers travelling on Greater Anglia, CrossCountry and Merseyrail services were also hit by industrial action.

On Saturday, South Western Railway was forced to cancel half of its services in south-west London and the home counties because of the continuing strike action. Another day of disruption is planned for tomorrow.

Last night a senior Tory source said: 'Things like refusing to work Sundays or overtime at the last minute show that unions only have their own self-interest at heart – they don't care about providing a good service or what's best for passengers.'

Unions however blame the issues on a shortage of drivers and accuse operators of penny pinching when they should be recruiting. It costs £60,000 to train a new train driver.

Mick Cash, RMT general secretary, said: 'It suits the operators to run on a knife edge and be reliant on people working on their rest days. It is fraught with difficulty because it is not compulsory to work on your day off.

'The rail industry is run on a wing and a prayer with an expectation that people will work overtime on their days off. The solution is very simple. We need more drivers.'

An Aslef spokesman added: 'On any given day train services are being run voluntarily.'

Bruce Williamson, of the campaign group RailFuture, said: 'There is a shortage of drivers. Whatever the networks say, we know this is the case.

'We pay the highest rail fares in Europe and we certainly don't get the best service for that.

'If you are cutting human resources to the bone then that will have an impact.'

A spokesman for the Rail Delivery Group, which speaks for rail operators, denied there was a driver shortage, adding: 'Operators continually recruit for drivers and work with trade unions to discuss employment terms so that they can meet the demands of the timetable.'

A spokesman for Northern said: 'We have more drivers than we need to run a full timetable in normal circumstances.'

A spokesman for Govia Thameslink Railway, which runs Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern, said it was looking at bringing Sundays into the working week.

He added: 'Drivers working rest days and overtime is standard practice in the industry and is used to cover training requirements, sickness and other, day-to-day issues.'
 
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I don't understand the problem with a 4 day week if the shifts are longer.... how that is a headline i don't know.
 

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"The Daily Mail reveals" and "Our investigation"?
Seriously?
It doesn't take much effort to figure out the stuff they are claiming to be "revealing"!

Reads more like a rant than a newspaper article.

So just like the Daily Mail normally reads like then!
 

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Ah yes, be jealous of those with better working conditions that were negotiated over time.

But this doesn't align with the desires of the Daily Mail owners to return to the days of the landed gentry on top and others merely surviving.
 

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I don't understand the problem with a 4 day week if the shifts are longer.... how that is a headline i don't know.

Two words:

Daily & Mail!!! ;)

Seriously though, this is exactly the kind of tripe that the regular Mail readers feed off. Take a profession, any profession, highlight that some are on higher wages than other totally unrelated jobs, stir up the readership then sit back and count the additional revenue from sales / advertising. Forget that in this instance the drivers are responsible for carrying hundreds of passengers at a time, at speeds up to 140mph, and for the absolute vast majority of times deliver said souls safely to their destination.

I'd start to look for the usual "Train drivers just pull a lever" nonsense in the comments section, but even an brief glance of it & I release I'd quickly lose the will to live!!
 

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This rant boils down to:
  • Drivers get paid
  • They have shift work which means they need time to recover from a safety-critical job
  • TOCs rely on overtime and volunteer work to run their trains
  • When drivers decide that they don't want to work overtime, the system collapses

What a pile of excrement.
 

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The MPS want to get more control of the Internet to stop "fake news".
But this rubbish is OK?
 

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I don't understand the problem with a 4 day week if the shifts are longer.... how that is a headline i don't know.

Indeed. Let's hope their 'journalists' don't find out that many NHS nurses are on 4 day weeks with long shifts. Salary figures are meaningless if they don't say the number of hours which have to be worked to get that salary.

I also don't think the actual number of cancelled services on Northern on World Cup final day was quite that high as I think more volunteered to work that Sunday after England got knocked out.
 

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I've been within the driving grade for 31 years now and the money was crap to start with...but now its the going rate. The Daily Wail will find a new target soon!
 

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  • TOCs rely on overtime and volunteer work to run their trains

That is an issue. If you rely on overtime to provide your normal level of services then how are you supposed to cope with additional services for a special event or manage if a high number of staff call in sick?
 

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Indeed. Let's hope their 'journalists' don't find out that many NHS nurses are on 4 day weeks with long shifts. Salary figures are meaningless if they don't say the number of hours which have to be worked to get that salary.

I also don't think the actual number of cancelled services on Northern on World Cup final day was quite that high as I think more volunteered to work that Sunday after England got knocked out.
..except that NHS nurses are nowhere near what train drivers are on.
 

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That is an issue. If you rely on overtime to provide your normal level of services then how are you supposed to cope with additional services for a special event or manage if a high number of staff call in sick?

At Northern, there are always plenty of drivers willing to work rest days, they are guarenteed 9.5 hours pay even if the extra shift may only be 6 hours.
 

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At Northern, there are always plenty of drivers willing to work rest days, they are guarenteed 9.5 hours pay even if the extra shift may only be 6 hours.

Yet even before the May 2018 recast Northern frequently cancelled services due to a member of staff being unavailable.
 

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Doing a much more valuable job for society for a fraction of Paul Dacre's £1.7 million, whose 'job' is stirring outrage and the British public against one another.
 

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The MPS want to get more control of the Internet to stop "fake news".
But this rubbish is OK?

Well yes, because it isn't "fake news" - and don't you think it should be in the public domain the amount train drivers are paid given the cost of season tickets and the disruption various bits of strike action have caused?

The problem here is too many people have got the blinkers on because it's the Daily Mail that's run the story and therefore are jumping to conclusions on that basis. In my experience the people who are intolerant of the Daily Mail always seem to think they are nice, liberal minded tolerant people, yet they're quite happy to limit press freedom because they don't agree with what's being written.....
 

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Well yes, because it isn't "fake news" - and don't you think it should be in the public domain the amount train drivers are paid given the cost of season tickets and the disruption various bits of strike action have caused?

The problem here is too many people have got the blinkers on because it's the Daily Mail that's run the story and therefore are jumping to conclusions on that basis. In my experience the people who are intolerant of the Daily Mail always seem to think they are nice, liberal minded tolerant people, yet they're quite happy to limit press freedom because they don't agree with what's being written.....

The Daily Mail generally writes crap designed to play on inherent prejudice and to stir up anger and jealousy within Tory gammony types by using less than subtle dog whistle rhetoric to make sure people focus on those slightly better off than them rather than the real villains of the piece! It is a terrible, terrible, terrible paper.
 

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Typical Daily Fail “journalism”. They are the perfect example of the “race to the bottom” culture in this country. The quote from Tory MP Grant Shapps is what made me laugh. I’m going to emailing my constituency Tory MP to seek an explanation of this.
 

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The Daily Mail generally writes crap designed to play on inherent prejudice and to stir up anger and jealousy within Tory gammony types by using less than subtle dog whistle rhetoric to make sure people focus on those slightly better off than them rather than the real villains of the piece! It is a terrible, terrible, terrible paper.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.
 

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Thank you for demonstrating my point.

So you don't think it is a terrible paper that often writes rubbish? Open your eyes.

BTW - I haven't suggested banning the Daily Mail. People are welcome to read it. I am welcome to laugh at them.
 

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A combination of a RDW ban and conductors on stike was a major factor.

I'm not on about that. I'm on about random services (mainly rush hour and weekend) not running 'due to a member of staff being unavailable' before the RDW ban happened and on days when RMT members weren't on strike.
 

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If the train companies decide to hire a lot more drivers on contracts which include Sunday working so they don't have to rely on overtime/rest day working, and hence hardly any overtime is offered, there would be uproar from certain parts of the industry about the loss of income. A double edged sword in my opinion.
 

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Well yes, because it isn't "fake news" - and don't you think it should be in the public domain the amount train drivers are paid given the cost of season tickets and the disruption various bits of strike action have caused?

The problem here is too many people have got the blinkers on because it's the Daily Mail that's run the story and therefore are jumping to conclusions on that basis. In my experience the people who are intolerant of the Daily Mail always seem to think they are nice, liberal minded tolerant people, yet they're quite happy to limit press freedom because they don't agree with what's being written.....

Im fine with decent quality journalism. Trying stoke the fires of hatred by stirring up hatred between various parts of society is not quality journalism. Daily Fail has had it in for railway workers for years and a story like this is golden to stir up some more hatred. If that is what people seek in a paper then that is up to you.
 

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If the train companies decide to hire a lot more drivers on contracts which include Sunday working so they don't have to rely on overtime/rest day working, and hence hardly any overtime is offered, there would be uproar from certain parts of the industry about the loss of income. A double edged sword in my opinion.

So why does a national newspaper want to stoke up and incite hatred against train drivers?
 

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So you don't think it is a terrible paper that often writes rubbish? Open your eyes.

BTW - I haven't suggested banning the Daily Mail. People are welcome to read it. I am welcome to laugh at them.

What you seem to be overlooking is newspapers reinforce their readers prejudices - they don't set their prejudices.

So the Daily Mirror peddles prejudice and dislike of certain sections of society, so does the Guardian, so did the Independent - they just happen to do it from a different perspective.

The DM attracts more vitriol than most other papers, in part because it's highly successful as the current ABC figures show and in part because it tends to annoy middle class left leaning liberals who also happen to be quite vocal usually on social media. The kind of people who read the Guardian for example and refuse to believe it's anything other than the complete truth.

The other point which always amuses me is the fact a newspaper which sells 1.5m copies a day is touted as setting the news agenda, yet the majority of news consumption in this country is via TV or radio or increasingly the internet - and that's dominated by one source, yet I don't hear demands that particular source shouldn't be allowed to hold the dominant position it does and be subject to competition from other outlets.
 

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Im fine with decent quality journalism. Trying stoke the fires of hatred by stirring up hatred between various parts of society is not quality journalism. Daily Fail has had it in for railway workers for years and a story like this is golden to stir up some more hatred. If that is what people seek in a paper then that is up to you.

Indeed! It is not just railway workers. Anyone on terms they consider advantageous and can be used to stir up hatred and jealousy. It can be anyone from teachers to bin men. If you are in public service you should be paid peanuts and know your place. It is odd they don't look to closely at the tax arrangements of the great and the good mind.

The general story is: Look at these lazy bstards earning loads more than you. They are doing a job a shaved monkey could do. Why shouldn't they be treated like crap like you?
 

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I'm not on about that. I'm on about random services (mainly rush hour and weekend) not running 'due to a member of staff being unavailable' before the RDW ban happened and on days when RMT members weren't on strike.

Which will always happen anyway regardless. A conductor not being available has the effect of cancelling a train irrespective of the reason for the non availability. That has always been the case.
 
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