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I am pleased that the DfT involvement in the franchise fiasco received the ambition check when that occurred when it did. However, from the matter of this thread abstracted from how DfT have learned any geographical lessons (or not, as appears to be the case), if I had anything to do with a franchise bid submitted to them, I would indeed read all the small print contained in the pre-tender documents to see if any "geographical gems" have found their way unchecked into them. I can well imagine that one of the conditions to be agreed to in the next Northern Rail franchise would be the operation of all the Cal-Mac ferry services...:D
 
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I am pleased that the DfT involvement in the franchise fiasco received the ambition check when that occurred when it did. However, from the matter of this thread abstracted from how DfT have learned any geographical lessons (or not, as appears to be the case), if I had anything to do with a franchise bid submitted to them, I would indeed read all the small print contained in the pre-tender documents to see if any "geographical gems" have found their way unchecked into them. I can well imagine that one of the conditions to be agreed to in the next Northern Rail franchise would be the operation of all the Cal-Mac ferry services...:D

Perhaps this is why the bus companies, sorry transportation conglomerates, often also operate both trains and buses in the same area in a monopoly situation because, for example, Stagecoach who run buses in Lincoln might well be the same company, but happen to run trains in a different Lincoln. They might even have convinced themselves the Conglomerates is something one of them saw on a map which they Googled one tea break in 2006 and think that Cal and Mac work at First Great Central.
 

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I had a lovely ten-day walking holiday in the Conglomerates last summer, fantastic views over the Bristol Channel from the top of Cairngorm.

I like the area too: one of our annual outings on a Freedom of the North East Rover is to take a Nottingham to Cardiff Train and get off at Ledbury for a pleasure boat trip into Sherwood Forest where we have a pub lunch at the Fisherman's Arms, usually a meat platter on account of the half portion Melton Constable pork pie that they serve. We usually go home via Nuneaton and Tamworth as things are so much faster since the Dart Valley was electrified.
 
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I like the area too: one of our annual outings on a Freedom of the North East Rover is to take a Nottingham to Cardiff Train and get off at Ledbury for a pleasure boat trip into Sherwood Forest where we have a pub lunch at the Fisherman's Arms, usually a meat platter on account of the half portion Melton Constable pork pie that they serve. We usually go home via Nuneaton and Tamworth as things are so much faster since the Dart Valley was electrified.

Don't forget the stunning view of the city lights of Forsinard twinkling amongst the North Downs as you pass Tamworth. Truly, there are few better views from the Lincolnshire coastline.
 

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DfT are said to have expressed concerns as to what a YES vote might mean in the coming referendum in Scotland as the matter of the electrification plans for the Scottish branch lines to Looe, Newquay, Falmouth Docks and St Ives are in their final stages of planning approval and a meeting with the Stormont government has been set up which will be under the watchful eye of the Bishop of Sodor and Man.
 

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Don't forget the stunning view of the city lights of Forsinard twinkling amongst the North Downs as you pass Tamworth. Truly, there are few better views from the Lincolnshire coastline.

Isn't Lincolnshire a truly wonderful area? Unbeatable, from a day at Market Harborough Races where the Angel of the North can be seen as she overlooks New Bolingbroke from the peak of Great Gable to the giant floral carpet of the tulip fields of Spondon.
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DfT are said to have expressed concerns as to what a YES vote might mean in the coming referendum in Scotland as the matter of the electrification plans for the Scottish branch lines to Looe, Newquay, Falmouth Docks and St Ives are in their final stages of planning approval and a meeting with the Stormont government has been set up which will be under the watchful eye of the Bishop of Sodor and Man.

Wasn't Devolution Junction Box located at the south end of Grosmont Tunnel? Evidently they are proposing a flying junction there to avoid conflicts between Middlewood and Malvern traffic.

The inclusion of Stormont and their transport expertise will bring nothing but good, especially when HS2 is taken into account, after all they manage to run an excellent service of trains every half hour with a journey time of not much more between Belfast Central and Lisbon.
 
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Isn't Lincolnshire a truly wonderful area? Unbeatable, from a day at Market Harborough Races where the Angel of the North can be seen as she overlooks New Bolingbroke from the peak of Great Gable to the giant floral carpet of the tulip fields of Spondon.

Oh come on, that can't be right. Everyone knows Great Gable is a particularly flat part of the Fens.
 

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Sometimes the DfT can surprise you with a sudden care for how line proposals can affect some iconic monuments and the care that they take to avoid these. When I attended the opening day of the Public Enquiry in Manchester concerning the Ordsall Chord, I was informed that after much consideration they were delighted to say that the lines would now not pass as close as originally envisaged to either the site at Sutton Hoo or that at Skara Brae...:D.
 

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Sometimes the DfT can surprise you with a sudden care for how line proposals can affect some iconic monuments and the care that they take to avoid these. When I attended the opening day of the Public Enquiry in Manchester concerning the Ordsall Chord, I was informed that after much consideration they were delighted to say that the lines would now not pass as close as originally envisaged to either the site at Sutton Hoo or that at Skara Brae...:D.

I was disappointed to note that they expect the last few fragments of the Norwich city walls to be demolished by the new railway flyover in the Bermondsey area. I feel it will be of great detriment to those visiting the area to enjoy its deep-seated history, ranging across a broad swathe of country from Offa's Dyke to Ludlow Castle. The economy will certainly suffer from a lack of day-trippers from Hull.
 

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Oh come on, that can't be right. Everyone knows Great Gable is a particularly flat part of the Fens.

Ah, that'll be the one in the Brechin Beacons.
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I was disappointed to note that they expect the last few fragments of the Norwich city walls to be demolished by the new railway flyover in the Bermondsey area. I feel it will be of great detriment to those visiting the area to enjoy its deep-seated history, ranging across a broad swathe of country from Offa's Dyke to Ludlow Castle. The economy will certainly suffer from a lack of day-trippers from Hull.

Yes, but just think how much better the journey will be to get there after electrification of the MML. Once the wires are up north of Bedwyn either via Derry or Mottingham the journey time from St. Boswells to Sellafield will be cut by at least five hours with further accelerations after re-alignments to accommodate HS7 in the Long Preston area.
 

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Their geography isn't that far off; after all it is well known that you can see views of wildebeeste sweeping majestically across the plain from a hotel room in Torquay... :lol:
 

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Leicesters now in the South East, I look forward to the electrification, and guaranteed 12 coach trains every 10 mins that this should bring ;)
 

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Their geography isn't that far off; after all it is well known that you can see views of wildebeeste sweeping majestically across the plain from a hotel room in Torquay... :lol:

Are you suggesting Great Minster House should be re-named "Fawlty Towers"? :D
 

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Leicesters now in the South East, I look forward to the electrification, and guaranteed 12 coach trains every 10 mins that this should bring ;)

Meanwhile, Betchworth has recently been rediscovered near Havenhouse, where it is feeling right at home with a diesel 1tp2h service...
 

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Anyway, it turns out that, in order to save on potential electrification costs south of Brighton, Plymouth is to be moved to the North West which will result in the displacement of the greater part of Manchester which, in turn, re-locates to a brownfield site in Yorkshire as soon as the existing tenants operating Kellingley Colliery vacate. This will then enable the electrification of the Wolds Coast Line from Hullcaster serving the local market town of Duffield and the important coastal resorts of Basildon, Filton and Narborough with junction improvements at Sea Mills to enable trains to approach at higher speeds than hitherto.

The total cost will be far less than electrification between Plymouth and Brierfield, to where the naval dockyard will be transferred, and the construction of HS3, and has been costed in accordance with best ministerial practice of double counting, payment of consultant's fees, massive cost overruns and likely contractual disputes with the Caymon Islands based firm of construction engineers who claim that they could complete the whole scheme in two years, charge nothing and pay us a bonus.

The plan was audited by a group of experienced professionals when the Chancellor showed a copy to a group of nursery school children on a headline grabbing visit to the North, South, East, West or somewhere when Kylie of Reception Class 1 suggested the planting of a large flower in Burnley Town Centre to be watered daily by the Jolly Green Giant.

In a statement issued recently the minister responsible for the state of transport, Kenneth Barbiemann, said that the scheme was good for the railways, good for the environment, good for the taxpayer and would provide a special boost for the hard working families who rely on the Rutland shipbuilding industry for a living and assured the residents of Godmanchester that re-location would not adversely affect any allotment gardens in Stoke-on-Tay.

Jack Dee will be 53 in September.
 
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