A bit of both, in essence.
Thank you!
I've noticed at both Liverpool Street and Moorgate you'll be able to transfer between the two systems without having to pass a barrier line.
All stations Bond St to Whitechapel inclusive are LU stations, they are controlled and staffed by LU staff but will have MTR staff on the platforms. The boundary point is the platform screen doors (although technically LU is also the infrastructure manager for the platform tunnels and area above the overheads). There will be no need to pass through a gateline at any of these stations as they are the same station. Of note that the Crossrail platforms and new entrance at Liverpool St is actually Moorgate station. There is however also direct access to the main Liverpool St LU ticket hall, anyone going down to the Central line can see the fire doors separating Moorgate from Liverpool St. Farringdon is also connected to Barbican, with a single lift that takes you to the headwall of the Inner Rail platform again with no need to pass through any gates.
And, if I remember it correctly, U1234 coming from the Abbey Wood direction.
There are already many instances of products that are only valid on some of the trains from a given station
As others have said, in most cases no.
TFL seem to deliberately brand their national rail services as part of the "TFL empire", and downplay the fact they are national rail services.
I think the all lines rover is an expensive/niche enough ticket that it's unlikely to be a massive problem. Most people buying that ticket will be railfans who are hopefully aware of what is and isn't a rail service. I don't think there are any other rovers in that area which are not TOC specific.
Indeed, and it’s always a good idea to check if one’s wanting to use Interrail on a city network. Also outside of the UK, some networks are included, some not and some partly. For example, some RER lines in Paris are included because they are operated by SNCF, but others aren’t as those are operated by RATP. There is no difference in branding besides the line letter, so that’s quite similar to the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail.
Will "Not Underground" fares be valid on the Crossrail services?
Why wouldn't they be? "Not Underground" is clearly a TOC restriction referring to London Underground Limited. Crossrail will be operated by a completely separate company, MTR Corporation (Crossrail) Limited.
Only tickets with a cross-London marker, or which are to an appropriate U zone, will be valid on the Elizabeth Line between Paddington and Liverpool Street / Abbey Wood. Although schedules on this section of line will appear in the National Rail timetable, they will be treated as being London Underground schedules for fares purposes.
But that is not because of a special rule about Crossrail. It is simply because there won't be any paper fares defined to the core stations.
No reference to the Routeing Guide is required for it to be a valid route under NRCoT 13.1.2:
But surely so are C2C fares between Upminster and Fenchurch Street, Chiltern between Amersham and Marylebone etc etc
The flow I have found is a really popular commuter flow which can fill peak time trains full, and I think it will make media appearance very soon after opening when regular commuters find their ticket price on websites reduced by a great extent when it's routed through Crossrail if the loophole is not closed by then. The loophole fare is 2/3 of the intended fare for peak-time commuting and doesn't need any special tricks in journey planners to produce.
Interrail is certainly valid and was briefed as such when the Core opened.
The interavailability document only specifies single, return and season tickets. It doesn't specify any tickets which are valid on the basis of being part of the National Rail network, for example, All Line Rover or Interrail Passes.
I've previously had it confirmed by LU, in writing, that interavailability does apply to NR passes such as ALR/Interrail. That it's a ranger/rover rather than single/return is immaterial.
I would expect them to be rejected simply on the basis that the Underground barrier staff aren't unlikely to be familiar with the rules for NR ticketing - despite the interavailable routes involving their station. That's certainly been my experience when trying to use interavailable routes in the past.
