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Crossrail Service Pairs

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glbotu

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I was just wondering, is there any indication as to how Crossrail will run its service pairs. Thameslink seems to have all of them figured out.

Is there anything like this for Crossrail, or has it simply not been thought of yet? The best I could find is this. Whilst interesting, it doesn't say much about what else is going on. Will trains just be evenly split between East and West* or will they run along fixed routes**?

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1tph Reading - Shenfield
1tph Reading - Abbey Wood
7tph Paddington - Shenfield
7tph Paddington - Abbey Wood
etc.

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GWML - Shenfield
Paddington - Abbey Wood
(+2 Paddington - Shenfield in peak).
 
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I would imagine mixed up. Both eastern branches would want Heathrow trains and both western ones would want Canary Wharf. I'd imagine a slight bias towards Canary Wharf - Heathrow journeys, but Stratford to Heathrow will be a hugely useful connection too.
 

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There are only 4tph due to go to Heathrow. To split them would mean a 30 minute frequency on each branch which would likely be considered unacceptable. Therefore I would expect all Heathrow trains to run to Abbey Wood via Canary Wharf.
 

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Reading this thread does really confirm how inadequate the arrangements are at the Western end of Crossrail. I know that it would be incredibly expensive to have kept Crossrail tunnels going to airport junction, but it would have given the trains somewhere to go.
 

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Reading this thread does really confirm how inadequate the arrangements are at the Western end of Crossrail. I know that it would be incredibly expensive to have kept Crossrail tunnels going to airport junction, but it would have given the trains somewhere to go.

But aren't the others going on to Watford Junction a couple of years later?
 

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Is that definitely confirmed? I've also read that there are plans to run as far as Tring but I'm not sure that any of this is official.

As part of HS2 proposals it is planned to extend Crossrail service to Tring - was announced last year by SofS
 

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The original plans proposed many years ago (1991) had peak train services, something like, terminating at Reading (4tph), Maidenhead (2tph), Slough (2tph), Heathrow T4 (NB no terminal 5 in those days) (4tph), Hayes and Harlington (2tph). The rest went to Amersham (6tph) and Aylesbury (4tph).
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2024 at the earliest subject to a business case is what I hear.

Seems a bit too late for the construction phase HS2 stage 1 if you ask me.
 

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As part of HS2 proposals it is planned to extend Crossrail service to Tring - was announced last year by SofS

No they didn't. If you had read it you'd have noted it was never announced as happening. Directly from the DfT website

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-study-into-potential-crossrail-extension

Rail passengers in Hertfordshire could benefit from quicker services that are more direct into central London.

In a move that would boost ambitious plans to redevelop Euston station for HS2, a feasibility study will look at how passengers from key commuter towns such as Tring, Hemel Hempstead, Harrow and Watford could save up to 15 minutes on their journey times via a new rail link between Old Oak Common and the West Coast Main Line.

The proposed changes would see Crossrail services extended to the county, providing direct journeys into the City and the West End. It would mean passengers would no longer have to change at Euston, making it easier to get on with the massive job of rebuilding the station so it matches the standard of Kings Cross and St Pancras.

The announcement came as Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin visited Farringdon station today (7 August 2014), where he met with the 100th apprentice appointed by Crossrail contractor Bam Ferrovial Kier to work on Europe’s largest infrastructure project.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said:

We are investing record amounts to build a world-class railway, so it is vital we seize every opportunity to make the most of these once in a generation schemes. That is why I have asked HS2 Limited to work closely with the Crossrail sponsors to look at extending Crossrail services to key destinations in Hertfordshire. Not only would this be a huge boost to passengers and the local economy, it would also provide flexibility when building HS2 into Euston, making sure we create a lasting legacy for the station.

Stations that could be serviced by Crossrail include Tring, Hemel Hempstead, Watford Junction, Berkhamstead and Harrow and Wealdstone. Any changes will not affect the timetable or planned service pattern for the existing Crossrail scheme which is scheduled to be fully operational by 2019.

Initial analysis suggests 40% of passengers travelling into London from these locations finish their journeys within 1 kilometre of a Crossrail station, compared to just 10% within 1km of Euston. The link would have the added benefit of reducing congestion at the station, specifically for passengers using the southbound Northern and Victoria lines.

The Mayor of London Boris Johnson said:

I have always maintained that the renaissance of Euston is a fantastic opportunity for regeneration in our city and one we should not miss. Providing a new rail route into the capital for passengers from Hertfordshire will be vital for Euston to be properly redeveloped to accommodate HS2 and to maximise the delivery of new homes and jobs in London and beyond.

More than 11,000 people are currently working on Crossrail at more than 40 sites. The new route will provide a major boost for commuters, providing a 10% increase in capacity for rail in London. Farringdon will be at the heart of that transformation with more than 150,000 people a day using the interchange to access Thameslink, Tube and Crossrail services.

On his visit to the site, the Transport Secretary outlined the government’s work in improving infrastructure with more than £70 billion earmarked for transport over the next Parliament. This will include the biggest programme of road investment since the 1970s and the largest investment in rail since the Victorian era.

The government is also forging ahead with its plans for HS2. The new north to south railway is vital to rebalancing the economy of the country and will provide more than double the number of seats between London and Birmingham, transporting the equivalent of the population of Nottingham every day.

It will also release space on the existing railway which has huge potential for increased freight services - meaning fewer cars and lorries on our roads, cutting congestion and carbon.

The announcement was of a study not that it was actually happening. Read the words put and is clear is not actually certain it will even happen.
 

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Well if it's possibly to happen with HS2, then we may as well never expect to get CrossRail to Tring or whatever! :lol:
 

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No they didn't. If you had read it you'd have noted it was never announced as happening. Directly from the DfT website

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-study-into-potential-crossrail-extension



The announcement was of a study not that it was actually happening. Read the words put and is clear is not actually certain it will even happen.

The next set of additions to the HS2 Bill are expected to include powers to build a link between WCML and Crossrail to allow this to happen. It is as certain as HS2 which depending on your point view means it has no chance or is almost definite to occur!
 

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Well if it's possibly to happen with HS2, then we may as well never expect to get CrossRail to Tring or whatever! :lol:

Not necessarily though, although planning for it is presently being dealt with by HS2, the 2011 London and SE RUS reported that Crossrail to Tring had a positive business case anyway, and it was being considered in two variants, with HS2 (high BCR) or without HS2 (medium BCR).
 
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