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TheKnightWho

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Another issue to consider is that even with maximum throughput, the bottleneck at Camden will always limit the amount of trains that will ever be able to use the new extension, and so a further extension to Clapham could result in some serious overcrowding problems.

Aren't they planning on separating the two lines completely once the extension is complete? What would the new line be called (and which would remain the Northern Line)?
 
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Would demand for through passengers be that great? Even if the line was extended to Clapham Junction, the likelihood is that anyone on SWT who currently changes to the Northern line northbound at Waterloo would still find it quicker to continue to do so (Besides, even if some people do revise their journeys to change at CLJ instead, that's only going to increase numbers on the Northern line between CLJ and Waterloo - that would in itself have zero impact on passenger numbers north of Waterloo, which is where the line is at its busiest)

It's more likely that people arriving at CLJ on Southern trains will find it useful to change to the Northern line at Clapham Junction for journeys into the city, but even there I'd imagine for many destinations it'll still be easier to stay on the train to Victoria and then take the Victoria or District lines, so that doesn't look to me like bringing overwhelming additional numbers to the Northern line.

Extending the Northern line to CLJ seems very obviously useful in terms of improving connections for people whose final destination is in South London, or who want to get to the Northern line City branch, but I'd be surprised if added so many passengers north of Kennington as to overwhelm the Northern line.

Not only that, but aren't there plans afoot to increase the frequency of trains on the Northern line by fully separating the City and Charing Cross branches, removing the bottleneck at Camden Town?

1) Camden Town will need re-building before there is any chance of that happening, even exit / interchange only it can't handle passengers as it is, and non-stopping everything will only move the load to Euston, that can bearly cope as it is and will have no chance in any way when NLE2 comes into play and it pushes 200tph through the tube station and 64tph through Euston Square. Much more is needed before this kind of service level can be sustained with four escalators and a very poor interchange layout with single ended platforms and cramped duplication areas.

2) There currently isn't any space on the City Branch in terms of capacity for reaching the city, so even moving the city one change closer with CLJ - Kennington - Bank as a route it will tip Bank / Monument over the edge and result in dangerous levels of passengers not being able to clear from the platforms before the next train, so increasing tph isn't an option either. So moving passengers onto this route is far from 'loads of space'

3) Passengers travelling from CLJ on SWT to the West End have a choice of the Bakerloo and Northern Lines currently, the Bakerloo has a reasonable amount of capacity available where additional space can be gained by upgrade as part of the DTP. Moving the Northern Line to Clapham Junction would result in almost all suburban SWT passenger changing here rather than Waterloo and revising their travel plans to use Tottenham Court Road or Leicster Square rather than Oxford Circus or Piccadilly Circus, again, lack of capacity at Leicster Square is an issue, let alone shoving all these passengers onto one set of trains that will be capped at around 24tph due to line capacity and space at other stations.

4) All this also depends on well, having trains...(!) Something the Northern Line is currently lacking enough of.
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(off topic somewhat) where would that diverge?

I'd diverge at either Pimlico or Vaxhaull or possibly Victoria, not Stockwell.

Although personally I'd more support platform 5 at Victoria, using 4 for terminating trains into 22/23rd and fast turnarounds, 3 for Northbounds, 4 for terminating or occational northbounds (install stepping back) and 5 for all southbound services, encouraging pax to change at Green Park if continuing or digging out the rings to have 4 as a double faced platform.
 

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At Pudding Mill Lane, there are Crossrail banners on the new station that's being built but I thought it was a DLR station?
Is DLR going to be on a new alignment?
 

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Yes, the DLR is being realigned as its current location is in the way of where Crossrail needs to go.
 

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I can confirm that the four machines will be buried near Farringdon. I think Ada is not far behind, around 1km I think.

They are stripping Phyliss of parts but the cost of the scrap metal of the machine does not outweigh the cost of removing the machine and getting it out of london.

Confusingly then, Crossrail have just included:

"During the coming weeks, Phyllis will be dismantled and her 130 metre long trailer system will be removed from the tunnel via the recently completed Fisher Street shaft."

...in the latest press release linked above. That's doesn't sound much like burial in situ to me.
 

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Confusingly then, Crossrail have just included:

"During the coming weeks, Phyllis will be dismantled and her 130 metre long trailer system will be removed from the tunnel via the recently completed Fisher Street shaft."

...in the latest press release linked above. That's doesn't sound much like burial in situ to me.

I didn't even reply because it was that nonsensical :P
 

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I'm sure I read somewhere most of the machines are being recovered for refurb. By lifting out of shafts in kit form same way they went in.
 

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Reports this morning that Phyllis has become the first machine to complete its drive (westbound tunnel from Royal Oak to Farringdon).

Crossrail website said:
Crossrail reveals first completed train tunnel

Europe’s largest infrastructure project, Crossrail, has unveiled its first completed train tunnel 18 months after tunnelling machine, Phyllis, started her 6.8 kilometre journey from Royal Oak to Farringdon.

Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, Infrastructure Minister Lord Deighton and Deputy Mayor for Transport Isabel Dedring have become the first visitors to set foot inside the completed train tunnel, entering via what will be the future Crossrail Farringdon station.

They gained a glimpse of how the most significant addition to London’s transport network in a generation will look when it opens in 2018, and enclosed a time capsule in the remaining section of Crossrail’s first tunnelling machine, Phyllis.
 

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And as the workers stepped out from the tunnel boring machine, they were immediately MG11'd by eager FCC revenue staff for not having valid tickets...
 

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Eastbound? ;)
It finished on 8 October actually, but the politicos have just caught up...

Or rather, they've cleaned the site up enough to bring an uncomfortable looking minister in for an awkward photo shoot
 

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Or rather, they've cleaned the site up enough to bring an uncomfortable looking minister in for an awkward photo shoot

And those clever Crossrail people managed to do that without going into the tunnel at all, so that the Minister would be the first to "set foot".
 
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