Crossrail - operating discussion and opening day 24th May

[Horizon22]

But this is the last weekend this is the case I believe. From Sunday it's a full 7 day service

There's a fair bit of engineering works East & West over the next few weeks that affect through running. For example 12/13th and 19/20th, nothing is running between Shenfield - Whitechapel/Liverpool Street due to NR engineering works. On the 19th/20th Heathrow is also shut (so it will be a Hayes - Abbey Wood service).

On those days a few more Abbey Wood - Paddington services will run to compensate the core frequency.

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Well if we want a comment about the current Elizabeth operations, it has been decided to close it for the whole weekend in the last few weeks. Not just Sundays, the case since May, but also Saturdays as well. This right into the Christmas shopping period, which is now well under way in London, and invalidates all the stuff about Bond Street "opening in time for Christmas shopping" when it's closed for the two busiest shopping days of the week. It will be doubtless shut next Saturday, this time due to strike, as well.

If there's a strike, it will probably run in three parts again on those specific days due to the discrepancy in infrastructure availability (no strikes for signallers in the central section) but a reduced service due to trains needing to access depots on NR infrastructure.

This is the same as its been all previous strike days; Abbey Wood - Paddington has never been "shut" on a strike day.

 

[JaJaWa]

Validators between Elizabeth line and Thameslink now in use


Source: https://twitter.com/midland__london/status/1587528537686302720

 

[jeremyjh]

Could use proper signage. I interchange between Thameslink and the Elizabeth line at Farringdon on my commute. Like a lot of people who do so, I have no need of this reader, as I'm already travelling on contactless.

 

[ctom_s]

I was at Canary Wharf very briefly yesterday and noticed Poplar was signposted from the Crossrail station. Is that link up and running then? or are you sent on a different route?

 

[Horizon22]

Could use proper signage. I interchange between Thameslink and the Elizabeth line at Farringdon on my commute. Like a lot of people who do so, I have no need of this reader, as I'm already travelling on contactless.

Signage is probably being commissioned, I imagine given the irritation to passengers the main aim was to get it installed ASAP.

Passengers from beyond the boundary (Gatwick / Welwyn) have no other choice so DO need this reader rather than going up and back down again.

 

[Kite159]

Validators between Elizabeth line and Thameslink now in use

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Source: https://twitter.com/midland__london/status/1587528537686302720

Fare dodgers will be loving that extra reader at Farringdon. Allows them to touch out of the oyster system before boarding a Thameslink train to an unbarriered station to get a free ride unless they are unlucky to run into a lesser spotted RPI.

Although there will be some use by genuine passengers transferring to other tickets.

 

[Hadders]

Fare dodgers will be loving that extra reader at Farringdon. Allows them to touch out of the oyster system before boarding a Thameslink train to an unbarriered station to get a free ride unless they are unlucky to run into a lesser spotted RPI.

Although there will be some use by genuine passengers transferring to other tickets.

There have been validators on the Thameslink platforms for years so not really an additional risk.

There’s a lift from the Southbound Thameslink platform to the Elizabeth Line which could do with a validator somewhere in the vicinity, does anyone know if one’s been installed?

 

[ctom_s]

There have been validators on the Thameslink platforms for years so not really an additional risk.

So this has lost me, there was a validator before but it couldn't be used for people exiting the Elizabeth line? (or is it just the case it was in a different place so people from the Elizabeth line missed it?)

 

[XAM2175]

Fare dodgers will be loving that extra reader at Farringdon. Allows them to touch out of the oyster system before boarding a Thameslink train to an unbarriered station to get a free ride unless they are unlucky to run into a lesser spotted RPI.

Although there will be some use by genuine passengers transferring to other tickets.

Yes, I too love systems that deliberately make life harder for genuine passengers

 

[43066]

Yes, I too love systems that deliberately make life harder for genuine passengers

Then again, as a regular passenger, I frequently use it to “touch in” to the tube network, so it makes my life easier!

 

[andrew749]

So this has lost me, there was a validator before but it couldn't be used for people exiting the Elizabeth line? (or is it just the case it was in a different place so people from the Elizabeth line missed it?)

There are validators at the foot of the stairways to the Circle/Met clockwise (outer rail) platform from the overbridge to/from the Thameslink platforms, and on the anticlockwise (inner rail) platform at the interchange points to the southbound Thameslink platform.

 

[lawried123]

I am going to a show in London on Sunday and was going to see how the through working from Twyford was going. But I'm amazed to find the last train from Toottenham Court Road to Twyford is 2205. That seems incredibly early for a last through train, so if you can't manage to get to Tottenham court road for that you still got to fiddle about changing up to the mainline station at Paddington as now. So no advantage over today.

Lawrie

 

[Dstock7080]

so if you can't manage to get to Tottenham court road for that you still got to fiddle about changing up to the mainline station at Paddington as now. So no advantage over today.

Lawrie

Or use later trains and change at Ealing Broadway, Southall or Hayes without the need change levels at Paddington?

 

[345 050]

Signage is probably being commissioned, I imagine given the irritation to passengers the main aim was to get it installed ASAP.

Passengers from beyond the boundary (Gatwick / Welwyn) have no other choice so DO need this reader rather than going up and back down again.

No such solution for Abbey Wood or Custom House. Or was there another fix for Custom House involving reprogramming the gates?

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I am going to a show in London on Sunday and was going to see how the through working from Twyford was going. But I'm amazed to find the last train from Toottenham Court Road to Twyford is 2205. That seems incredibly early for a last through train, so if you can't manage to get to Tottenham court road for that you still got to fiddle about changing up to the mainline station at Paddington as now. So no advantage over today.

Lawrie

I believe there's a Maidenhead an hour later than that, Twyford is unfortunate to miss out there though. There are also later GWR services from High Level platform at Paddington.

 

[Horizon22]

No such solution for Abbey Wood or Custom House. Or was there another fix for Custom House involving reprogramming the gates?

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I believe there's a Maidenhead an hour later than that, Twyford is unfortunate to miss out there though. There are also later GWR services from High Level platform at Paddington.

I don’t think Abbey Wood will see it in the foreseeable due to the significant risk of fare evasion. Custom House might have been reprogrammed on the gates as you say.

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I am going to a show in London on Sunday and was going to see how the through working from Twyford was going. But I'm amazed to find the last train from Toottenham Court Road to Twyford is 2205. That seems incredibly early for a last through train, so if you can't manage to get to Tottenham court road for that you still got to fiddle about changing up to the mainline station at Paddington as now. So no advantage over today.

Lawrie

Late night and early morning trains continue to depart from the mainline station. So there are indeed later departures but only as far as Paddington with a change.

 

[danielcanning]

Travelled on the Lizzie Line earlier and it seems the tissue beggars have begun to patronise the line. I hope TfL and the BTP crack down on this behaviour, it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable seeing helpless women forced to beg…

 

[Acton1991]

Travelled on the Lizzie Line earlier and it seems the tissue beggars have begun to patronise the line. I hope TfL and the BTP crack down on this behaviour, it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable seeing helpless women forced to beg…

Yep, it's very frequent. Please do report to TfL so they know it's going on. They clearly like the walk-through carriages.

 

[Mojo]

Yep, it's very frequent. Please do report to TfL so they know it's going on. They clearly like the walk-through carriages.

Best thing to do is report it to the police, either by Email or SMS.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

tissue beggars have begun to patronise the line.

it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable seeing helpless women forced to beg…

It makes me extremely uncomfortable seeing dirty tissues dropped into my lap!

 

[43066]

Travelled on the Lizzie Line earlier and it seems the tissue beggars have begun to patronise the line. I hope TfL and the BTP crack down on this behaviour, it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable seeing helpless women forced to beg…

Forced in the “by a criminal gang” sense,
rather than by circumstances, sadly.

It makes me extremely uncomfortable seeing dirty tissues dropped into my lap!

That isn’t actually what they do though, is it? In my experience it’s a new packet of tissues placed onto the seat next to you with a note, swiftly taken away again if you ignore it.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That isn’t actually what they do though, is it? In my experience it’s a new packet of tissues placed onto the seat next to you with a note, swiftly taken away again if you ignore it.

Your experiences are not going to necessary be the same as mine though, are they? On a busy 323, I had tissues dropped into my pocket, and sixty seconds later I had them bending over me and swiping it away. The same thing happened on the Central line.

A lot of the time, I'm not lucky enough to have the seat next to me free, especially not in London!

 

[43066]

Your experience is not going to necessary be the same as mine, is it. On a busy 323, I had tissues dropped into my pocket, and sixty seconds later I had them bending over me and swiping it away. The same thing happened on the Central line.

Just report it when you see it, as mentioned above.

A lot of the time, I'm not lucky enough to have the seat next to me free, especially not in London!

I’d rather have a free seat next to me, even with tissues .

 

[Acton1991]

Best thing to do is report it to the police, either by Email or SMS.

I would if they’d sort the 4G out

 

[Horizon22]

Best thing to do is report it to the police, either by Email or SMS.

Issue is there's pretty much always no signal, so by the time you've do a) you've left the train and platform b) the suspects have long gone.

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Forced in the “by a criminal gang” sense,
rather than by circumstances, sadly.



That isn’t actually what they do though, is it? In my experience it’s a new packet of tissues placed onto the seat next to you with a note, swiftly taken away again if you ignore it.

My experience too, any time its happened in around London on both Underground and suburban rail services.

 

[Mojo]

Issue is there's pretty much always no signal, so by the time you've do a) you've left the train and platform b) the suspects have long gone.

I would if they’d sort the 4G out

All platforms have Wi-fi which is fine for sending emails and what I do when I come across these people on the Underground.

Also is irrelevant with regard to catching them. Whilst BTP will issue a general circulation to officers with regard to illegal begging on trains it is mainly to enable both BTP and TfL to build up a record of where these people operate, and enable for officer taskings and operations to be organised to take into account the location and times of these crimes.

 

[Horizon22]

All platforms have Wi-fi which is fine for sending emails and what I do when I come across these people on the Underground.

Also is irrelevant with regard to catching them. Whilst BTP will issue a general circulation to officers with regard to illegal begging on trains it is mainly to enable both BTP and TfL to build up a record of where these people operate, and enable for officer taskings and operations to be organised to take into account the location and times of these crimes.

The wi-fi is incredibly hit and miss. Of course it can be built up, but most reports are pretty vague ("oh I was on a train 10 minutes ago")

 

[Watershed]

The wi-fi is incredibly hit and miss. Of course it can be built up, but most reports are pretty vague ("oh I was on a train 10 minutes ago")

The WiFi also only works if you have an account with one of the participating operators. It should be free for everyone, like it is on all other National Rail trains and stations.

 

[DC1989]

The fact there's no 4g (at least!) on 'the most advanced digital railway in the world' is pretty shocking!!

 

[Acton1991]

All platforms have Wi-fi which is fine for sending emails and what I do when I come across these people on the Underground.

Also is irrelevant with regard to catching them. Whilst BTP will issue a general circulation to officers with regard to illegal begging on trains it is mainly to enable both BTP and TfL to build up a record of where these people operate, and enable for officer taskings and operations to be organised to take into account the location and times of these crimes.

I do feel like TfL could start playing announcements like they do on certain parts of the Underground which could act as a deterrent

 

[43096]

I do feel like TfL could start playing announcements like they do on certain parts of the Underground which could act as a deterrent

Argggghh. Just no. No more announcements. It’s the weak option taken when they think they ought to do something, but can’t be arsed to do it properly.