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Have a look at this original name for the tax payer funded new Hospital in Glasgow
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13639607.No_records_of_hospital_rebrand_meeting/
Jonfun
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Questioning from a journalist forced Boris to admit that it's thanks to the EU that the line got funded.
And where do you think the money the EU gave to us came from? The amount of money we'd save not being part of the EU could fund many Crossrails. Or Lizzy Lines. Or whatever you want to call them.
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A second bite at the cherry for the Queen then, not that she will give a damn. The Jubilee Line was renamed from the Fleet Line, supposedly in her honour. Arise Sir Boris!!
But when we have CROSSRAIL 2 and CROSSRAIL 3 the confusion generated will match what we already have with the Overground (which has constant calls for naming the lines). It's better to have a name for the line from day one than to rebrand x years in the future when someone in charge is allowed to apply some common sense.
(With regards to HS1 - that project was called the CTRL - good luck spotting that name in publicly visible use after it's rebrand).
TheKnightWho
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Or simply wouldn't exist, because wealth is generated by us being in the EU
If government spending was the only thing that mattered, and not revenue generated through wealth generation, then we could just devolve everything to councils, then wards etc... The EU works through cooperation, and is more than the sum of its parts.
southern442
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The Independent seems to think that Crossrail is a 'High-speed rail service'.
Silly old Loulla-Mae Eleftheriou-Smith.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elizabeth-line-when-will-the-new-crossrail-line-open-where-does-it-run-and-how-many-passengers-will-a6891406.html
They wouldn't spend all that money replacing the signs, it's just silly.
Right?
Silly old Loulla-Mae Eleftheriou-Smith.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elizabeth-line-when-will-the-new-crossrail-line-open-where-does-it-run-and-how-many-passengers-will-a6891406.html
They wouldn't spend all that money replacing the signs, it's just silly.
Right?
Nope
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tflpress/sets/72157665012393305
It doesn't look right at all. You don't see tube stock with the name of their line in their roundels, so why should it be done for crossrail, I mean 'Elizabeth Line'
furnessvale
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Questioning from a journalist forced Boris to admit that it's thanks to the EU that the line got funded.
Yes, it is quite amusing to see that the EU graciously gives us some (not all) of OUR money back but instructs us where we can spend it.
On this occasion I agree with the spend but with so many others I don't.
It doesn't. Each country decides where it wants its share spent.
I see we have a few kippers here. Fair enough.
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Nope
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tflpress/sets/72157665012393305
It doesn't look right at all. You don't see tube stock with the name of their line in their roundels, so why should it be done for crossrail, I mean 'Elizabeth Line'
I agree, it doesn't sound or look right. I was hoping it would still be Crossrail branded like the Underground and that just the maps and directional signage would have Elizabeth line on them. It will sound even weirder outside London alongside operator branded services with no named lines.
This would be a good April fool if it wasn't February!
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southern442
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Nope
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tflpress/sets/72157665012393305
It doesn't look right at all. You don't see tube stock with the name of their line in their roundels, so why should it be done for crossrail, I mean 'Elizabeth Line'
It's all nice that they named it after her, but it is absolutely stupid and idiotic to waste all that money rebranding it. All of the signs in place say 'crossrail'! Why on earth would they spend god knows how much it will cost to rebrand the whole bloody thing? And where will that money come from? Increased fares, or taxes? I would honestly like to know what mindless idiot decided this would be a good idea so I can give him a piece of my mind.
tbtc
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THere's no pont in trying to argue with people about the Monarchy or about UKIP - you'll never change their opinions.
But whilst I'm a Republican, I can't criticise the Queen as an individual - she's done/ doing the job to the best of her abilities - I think that naming a big infrastructure project after someone who's been on the throne for sixty years seems pretty appropriate. I'm not some forlock tugging sycophant, but (if you accept that calling it simply "Crossrail" will get confusing when further "Crossrails" open) I think the "Elizabeth" line is as good a name as any.
Given the cost of boring some massive tunnels through the centre of London, some of the most expensive/ disruptive places, the cost of hundreds of new carriages, all of the other expenses... I'm not too bothered if we have to put some new signs up (not that there are many signs already up, give that it's clearly not open yet).
What percentage of the billions that we've already spent on Crossrail have been spent on signage?
Agreed.
It looks like we'll have at least a second Crossrail - by which time a third may be necessary too.
So, whilst there's only one Thameslink, we probably need to sop using "Crossrail" as a term to reflect every "RER" line through the middle of London - before we end up with even more.
And, if we are going to do it, we'd better get the new name in use now, before it opens.
But whilst I'm a Republican, I can't criticise the Queen as an individual - she's done/ doing the job to the best of her abilities - I think that naming a big infrastructure project after someone who's been on the throne for sixty years seems pretty appropriate. I'm not some forlock tugging sycophant, but (if you accept that calling it simply "Crossrail" will get confusing when further "Crossrails" open) I think the "Elizabeth" line is as good a name as any.
Given the cost of boring some massive tunnels through the centre of London, some of the most expensive/ disruptive places, the cost of hundreds of new carriages, all of the other expenses... I'm not too bothered if we have to put some new signs up (not that there are many signs already up, give that it's clearly not open yet).
What percentage of the billions that we've already spent on Crossrail have been spent on signage?
Agreed.
It looks like we'll have at least a second Crossrail - by which time a third may be necessary too.
So, whilst there's only one Thameslink, we probably need to sop using "Crossrail" as a term to reflect every "RER" line through the middle of London - before we end up with even more.
And, if we are going to do it, we'd better get the new name in use now, before it opens.
southern442
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We are now officially better than TfL management. And considering we are RailUKforums, that's not too bad of an achievement!
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Tottenham Court Road definitely has, all the Crossrail signs are covered over at the moment but they are definitely there. I wouldn't be surprised if the other central london stations had the signage as well.
Rebranding Crossrail as the Elizabeth line makes no sense to me.
No other line has an official roundel like this on display outside of the trains or stations.
Customers will expect (and indeed I have already heard many "news" websites and people calling it a tube line) a London Underground style service with LU standards when it will not be.
No other line has an official roundel like this on display outside of the trains or stations.
Customers will expect (and indeed I have already heard many "news" websites and people calling it a tube line) a London Underground style service with LU standards when it will not be.
southern442
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Exactly. Just creating unnecessary confusion and adding extra cost to the line.
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Good that you've brought this up because it prompts me to highlight the local names for this enormous hospital, you can always rely on Glasgow wit. It started out as the Death Star - look at its shape - but far better for here is Sweaty Betty, on account of some of its ventilation issues.
Perfect for Crossrail's first summer breakdown...
Have they said they will have roundels mentioning the lines name on the outside of the trains and stations?
Why would there need to be a consultation or a vote for the name change? Was anything set in stone form the outset that 'Crossrail' was anything but the working name for it? Being strongly opposed to the name of something is rather hyperbolic isn't it?
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And how many signs are already in place may I ask? more or less than 20?
WestCoast
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I agree, there's nothing wrong with the name "Elizabeth Line" itself but it surely indicates an LU operated tube service. It doesn't fit in with the Overground or TfL Rail branding either.
Crossrail seemed perfect for the line and a suitable companion to Thameslink, which is arguably the most similar thing to it currently.
I know it's a flagship project, but it seems a little inconsistent.
There are images on official websites showing the "Elizabeth line" roundel on the front of a refurbished station building.
Ill take your word for it but again have they said it will be all stations and on all trains as you claimed? And is it any different from having overground in the roundel at their stations and possibly trains but I cant remember if that's correct
I'm not sure what you are suggesting regarding "all stations and on all trains." Are you saying there's a possibility some stations will be branded as Crossrail and others as Elizabeth line? Either option is inconsistent, which is the point I'm making; you don't get a Central line roundel outside Marble Arch for instance, you get an Underground roundel. There were a few old "line" roundels inside stations but these do not meet the current design standards and have been removed from most locations.
Images from TfL:
https://twitter.com/TfL/status/702184919775236096
https://twitter.com/TfL/status/702151931070914560
I was questioning what you yourself had stated
I cant see the twitter pics and hence why I have now asked for a third time have they said that it will be like that outside their trains and stations - and what is the difference between 'Elizabeth' or 'Overground'? apart from the spelling and trains and where they serve?
Also what do you me3an when you say
24tph and it going underground as well as going outside is pretty much just like the underground in the eyes of the joe public just like everything else was the overland and still is in parts.
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DynamicSpirit
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I would somewhat disagree here: I think there is something wrong with that name: It gives no clue as to where the line goes or which places it serves. Granted the same is true of some of the Underground line names, but those are all very long established historical names of the lines. It also doesn't roll off the tongue very easily. 'Elizabeth' has 4 syllables - which is quite long, and there's nothing in the quality of the sounds that makes it easy to say. (Unlike, 'piccadilly' or 'metropolitan' which both have somewhat alliterative qualities and sharp plosive sounds that roll well together and so compensate for the length of those names)
Totally agree with all that. This really seems a silly decision. To my mind, it has something of an air of Boris wanting to leave another 'I did this' kind of mark without any thought for whether it was wise. And unfortunately, now it's done, the obvious connection with royalty would make it politically almost impossible to reverse the decision - since any future London Mayor attempting to do so and to give the route a more sensible name (such as 'CrossRail'
) would open themselves up to charges of disrespect to the monarchy.
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bramling
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I would somewhat disagree here: I think there is something wrong with that name: It gives no clue as to where the line goes or which places it serves. Granted the same is true of some of the Underground line names, but those are all very long established historical names of the lines. It also doesn't roll off the tongue very easily. 'Elizabeth' has 4 syllables - which is quite long, and there's nothing in the quality of the sounds that makes it easy to say. (Unlike, 'piccadilly' or 'metropolitan' which both have somewhat alliterative qualities and sharp plosive sounds that roll well together and so compensate for the length of those names)
Totally agree with all that. This really seems a silly decision. To my mind, it has something of an air of Boris wanting to leave another 'I did this' kind of mark without any thought for whether it was wise. And unfortunately, now it's done, the obvious connection with royalty would make it politically almost impossible to reverse the decision - since any future London Mayor attempting to do so and to give the route a more sensible name (such as 'CrossRail'
I think the Victoria Line is more named after the station, which has always been the focal point of the line, originally the planned terminus, and subsequently generally the busiest station on the line.
I'm not necessarily against the name Elizabeth in principle, although I'm not convinced it fits well with the concept of Crossrail being something new and rather different (and supposedly better) than anything we have to date. It's certainly not an Underground line for a variety of reasons.
So in summary Elizabeth Line may be something which everyone gets used to and comes to accept, and it may not matter that much in the grand scheme of things, but I think Crossrail sounds, and is, better.
And even on day one it looks like the name Sweaty Betty is going to stick, if so this is most unfortunate.
HMS Ark Royal
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Taken me a while to reply to this thread as some of these comments have been just the wrong side of slander and treason - though it seems to be the same people who want pacers scrapped, so maybe that explains matters...
I see no issue with naming the system the Elizabeth Line - as others have mentioned here before, the Crossrail name was intended as a temporary thing anyway. After looking at the pictures of the event, I think Her Majesty looked fabulous and in good cheer - hope she stays like that for years to come
I see no issue with naming the system the Elizabeth Line - as others have mentioned here before, the Crossrail name was intended as a temporary thing anyway. After looking at the pictures of the event, I think Her Majesty looked fabulous and in good cheer - hope she stays like that for years to come
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