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Ketchup18

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Hi,

Hoping someone may be able to give me an insight to the day assessment I have coming up on Monday 19th November.

I have so far passed the 3 online assessments and have advanced to the assessment centre. I have been told that I will be there from 9am-5pm but speaking to family member who went through something similar a couple of years ago in reading, he seems to think its quite a long day for assessments I will be undertaking.

Does anybody know or have been through this that would be able to shed some light on this for me.

Thanks
Gavin
 
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Stigy

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Hi,

Hoping someone may be able to give me an insight to the day assessment I have coming up on Monday 19th November.

I have so far passed the 3 online assessments and have advanced to the assessment centre. I have been told that I will be there from 9am-5pm but speaking to family member who went through something similar a couple of years ago in reading, he seems to think its quite a long day for assessments I will be undertaking.

Does anybody know or have been through this that would be able to shed some light on this for me.

Thanks
Gavin
I’m assuming it’s driver assessments? That being the case, it can be a whole day. Some TOCs split it and have stage 1 and stage 2, meaning you do stage 1, and progress if you pass (stage 1 being pencil and paper, stage 2 being the computer tests and MMI). My TOC does stages 1 and 2 on the same day, apart from the MMI which they invite you back for. If you don’t progress past the paper tests, you’ll be there a couple of hours, otherwise it’s a whole day and quite intense!
 

slidingdoors

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Yeah crossrail mark the tests as you go along so you'll be there all day (although more likely till 16:00) - with an hour and halfish lunch break. Rather than knocking them all out, sending you home and letting you know the results at a later date. It's a long day but at least you'll find out on the day if you're going to progress. And it's only stage 1, with the tests being as per your invite info Email.
 

Driver2B

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Hi,

Hoping someone may be able to give me an insight to the day assessment I have coming up on Monday 19th November.

I have so far passed the 3 online assessments and have advanced to the assessment centre. I have been told that I will be there from 9am-5pm but speaking to family member who went through something similar a couple of years ago in reading, he seems to think its quite a long day for assessments I will be undertaking.

Does anybody know or have been through this that would be able to shed some light on this for me.

Thanks
Gavin


Hi and congratulations on getting through to your assessment day!


I recently attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses inate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one, just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. There's a downloadable online tool you can find as a sticky on this forum. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there is lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the dials test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to order them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not downgraded for any wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible but not neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list what was in the picture from: pedestrians; motor vehicles (excluding motorcycles); bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconcious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charged of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts to seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!
 

Slava

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Hi all! Could anybody help me to explain Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ) in a bit more detail? The problem is I failed it after passing many other tests, and it seems to me, that I was just confused. It was telephone directory test. My question is, do I need to pay attention at the actual titles in this book (i.e. names of companies) to check are they really correspond to the name of the list (plumbers or restaurants)? Or I just simply need to find correct symbols and phone codes and actual names like "Best pipes works" doesn't matter? Maybe it sounds silly, but I was confused by the question of one guy, who asked: "Are all of this companies really plumbers" and examiner answered that she cannot tell this and she can only tell that this is the list of plumbers. First time I tried to pay attention to all this names and it was too slow and confusing. For next part with beeps I decided do not pay attention to these names and finished all book in time. Finally I failed and they just told me, that there was not single mistake and just overall performance. And than they confused me even more and said that all information was important. This test didn't look like simple example in the guidance. Please tell do I really need to read all this company names during TEA-Occ test?!
 

johnlh

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You don’t need to look at the names. Everyone in that book will be a plumber. You just have to find the symbols that they ask you to look for.
 

Driver2B

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Hi all! Could anybody help me to explain Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ) in a bit more detail? The problem is I failed it after passing many other tests, and it seems to me, that I was just confused. It was telephone directory test. My question is, do I need to pay attention at the actual titles in this book (i.e. names of companies) to check are they really correspond to the name of the list (plumbers or restaurants)? Or I just simply need to find correct symbols and phone codes and actual names like "Best pipes works" doesn't matter? Maybe it sounds silly, but I was confused by the question of one guy, who asked: "Are all of this companies really plumbers" and examiner answered that she cannot tell this and she can only tell that this is the list of plumbers. First time I tried to pay attention to all this names and it was too slow and confusing. For next part with beeps I decided do not pay attention to these names and finished all book in time. Finally I failed and they just told me, that there was not single mistake and just overall performance. And than they confused me even more and said that all information was important. This test didn't look like simple example in the guidance. Please tell do I really need to read all this company names during TEA-Occ test?!

The names don't matter. You're looking at the symbols and the star rating, I believe from my memory.
 

slidingdoors

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Yep they’re all plumbers. Just look for the symbols. Sounds like that assessor wasn’t being very helpful. Someone asked the same question when I did this and the assessor just said ‘they’re all plumbers’
 

StudentFish

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I believe on the Pearson - Talent lens website it states that;

Telephone Search: Respondents must look for key symbols while searching through pages in a simulated telephone directory containing a list of plumbers

Telephone Search While Counting: Respondents must again search in a telephone directory containing a list of restaurants while simultaneously counting strings of tones presented on CD
 

Firestarter

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I believe on the Pearson - Talent lens website it states that;

Telephone Search: Respondents must look for key symbols while searching through pages in a simulated telephone directory containing a list of plumbers

Telephone Search While Counting: Respondents must again search in a telephone directory containing a list of restaurants while simultaneously counting strings of tones presented on CD
Can you pm me a link to this website? I can’t seem to find it
 
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