Cross Country weekend first

[221129]

Yes true, but it does not say you have to find the portion of the train that the TM is travelling in to be eligible for the upgrade though does it.
Logically (and yes I know we are talking the rail industry here) why would XC not expect the TM to move between the sets during the journey anyway. Or are we saying there are no standard class ticket checks either in half of a two set train?

Because they MUST always be in the rear set.

 

[221129]

Does the trolley dolly actually have the authority to ask you to leave first class if they are unable to sell tickets? Do they have the necessary training to actually know whether a ticket is valid anyway?

Yes. They do.

 

[Bungle965]

They're also the only TOC who won't sell them to Advance holders I believe.

Talking of VTWC I believe the double sets are double staffed. Unlike GWR they seem to be able to do this reasonably reliably.

Grand Central is another example of who won't sell them to Advance ticket holders.
Sam

 

[WesternLancer]

It might be relevant that the at seat staff Voyagers & HSTs are CC directly employed staff but (and this was the case recently but it may have changed) those manning the trollies on 170s were staff working for a contractor.
It's certainly the case that staff travelling on privs. etc. whilst allowed a hot drink on 22x/HST are not allowed one on 170s, supporting the idea that the 170 catering is more 'arms-length'.
Double Voyagers are pretty rare on CC and I accept your experience that both are not manned but on Virgin all sets were usually manned; I even got served in coach Q on a triple Voyager on a Chiltern Line shuttle triple Voyager on a Sunday.

Thanks. Interesting. The 170 trolley host I met was in full XC uniform and XC name badge, so no clue it may be a contractor in that instance.

 

[221129]

Thanks. Interesting. The 170 trolley host I met was in full XC uniform and XC name badge, so no clue it may be a contractor in that instance.

They are a third party contractor.

 

[Bungle965]

They are a third party contractor.

I seem to recollect it is a very random contractor an all, not the usual Rail Gourmet.
Brew was fairly decent last time I used it.
Sam

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes. They do.

A very logical follow-on from that would be to allow them to sell Weekend First (only) in the set the conductor isn't in, perhaps from a pad of pre-printed tickets rather than from a ticket machine.

 

[WesternLancer]

A very logical follow-on from that would be to allow them to sell Weekend First (only) in the set the conductor isn't in, perhaps from a pad of pre-printed tickets rather than from a ticket machine.

Yes, exactly - for a small commission maybe - that would be the entrepreneurial thing to do. Of course it may be that RMT would object to such a person taking on what would be seen as a ticket retail function (even if a flat price upgrade supplement is not really a ticket in the sense of not needing to know complex route and entitlement rules).