Cricket

[andrew bell]

In the match when New Zealand took to the field against England, when lightning strikes of frightening power were in the match area, it was obvious that the old music-hall act of Duckworth and Lewis would soon be required to perform their act, but it is interesting to note that in the New Zealand winning match total of 52-2 from only 5.2 overs, Stuart Broad did not exactly lead by example with his bowling figures of 1-0-16-0..

To be fair Duckworth Lewis does not work at all in a T20 match, as a lot of people was saying New Zealand was not 9 runs ahead of England at that stage, but saying that they should of gone off 8 balls earlier due to the lightning.

It is also noted that Stuart Broad has been fined 15% of his match fee for calling the umpires 'average' yet Faf du Plessis and Dinesh Chandimal have not been fined for a very slow over rate in the first game yesterday. Slow over rates in all 3 forms of international cricket is happening all the time, the ICC needs to address this matter by either fining the teams a certain percentage for not bowling the overs in time (with tv reviews, batsmen being out etc being taken to account) or even adding runs to the batting team for the slow over rate.
The most memorable occasion of a fielding team taking their time in the field was in Karachi in 2000, when Moin Khan (the Pakistan keeper & captain) appealed to Steve Bucknor (the umpire) 3 times for bad light in the deciding test against England, all 3 times they continued as Mr Bucknor agreed that Moin Khan took ages to set his fields and the bowlers took their time to bowl the overs and the match finished in near darkness with England winning by 6 wickets with 15 balls remaining.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It is also noted that Stuart Broad has been fined 15% of his match fee for calling the umpires 'average'

I wonder what words he would use to describe the one and only over that he bowled which went for 16 runs...

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ICC World Twenty20..Group 1

Netherlands 39 all out (10.3 overs)
A.Mendis 3-12
Matthews 3-16

Sri Lanka 40-1 (5overs)

Netherlands have now set the lowest Twenty20 International match score.
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Women's World Twenty20...Group B

India 95-9 (20 overs)
Raj 57 (8x4)

Shrubsole....4-1-6-3
Gunn..........4-0-15-3

England 98-5 (18.1 overs)

The bowling figures of both Shrubsole and of Gunn are really remarkable performances in this 20 over version of the game and have helped to put England back on track in the tournament.
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World Twenty20...Super 10...Group 1

Sri Lanka 189-4 (20 overs)
Jayawardene 89 (3x6/11x4)
Dilshan 55 (2x6/4x4)

England 190-4 (19.2 overs)
Hales 116 not out (6x6/11x4)
Morgan 57 (2x6/7x4)

Kulasekara 4-1-32-4

Did not look a good start for England when batting with two wickets down with NIL on the scoreboard, but Hales carried his bat and England won with four balls to spare.

 

[Johnuk123]

England have been awful to say the least for some time but fair play to them yesterday.

Hales in particular was magnificent, could this be a bit of a turning point ?
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Normal service is resumed as England crash out of the Twenty20, at rock bottom now so can only improve.

 

[Smudger105e]

England crash out of the Twenty20,

Yes they were beaten, but 'crashed out'? Does that mean every team that leaves the competition has crashed out? In my mind, crashing out means failing to complete, not simply being beaten.

 

[Oswyntail]

Yes they were beaten, but 'crashed out'?...

They were thrashed, walloped, marmalised. How can anyone in the side hold his head up after failing to make a record winning score by the massive margin of 3 - yes THREE - runs:roll: This is what we get when Merkel and her ilk run the EU.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

England crash out of the Twenty20

If England 'crashed out' of the T20, what did Australia do today, then?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Womens World Twenty20..Group B

Sri Lanka...85-9 (20 overs)

Pace bowler Anna Shrubsole returned figures of 4-1-9-3


England...86-3 (16 overs)


Well then...that's one England side that managed to qualify for the semi-finals.

 

[Johnuk123]

They were thrashed, walloped, marmalised. How can anyone in the side hold his head up after failing to make a record winning score by the massive margin of 3 - yes THREE - runs:roll: This is what we get when Merkel and her ilk run the EU.

Oh dear, got out of bed the wrong side did we.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26802171

World Twenty20 2014: England crash out as SA reach semis

Sunday Mirror - England crash out of World T20 after defeat to South Africa in do-or-die group match.

Cricket 365 - Proteas through, England crash out.

Yahoo Sport - England crash out of World Twenty20.

London Evening Standard - England crash out of World T20 after narrow defeat to South Africa.

talkSPORT - England narrowly crash out of World Twenty20.

And that's just the first page of Google.

 

[Donny Dave]

The only difference between South Africa and England was AB de Villiers - A man who is at his deadliest best in the final few overs of a T20 innings ....

 

[Buttsy]

Oh dear, got out of bed the wrong side did we.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26802171

Sunday Mirror - England crash out of World T20 after defeat to South Africa in do-or-die group match.

Cricket 365 - Proteas through, England crash out.

Yahoo Sport - England crash out of World Twenty20.

London Evening Standard - England crash out of World T20 after narrow defeat to South Africa.

talkSPORT - England narrowly crash out of World Twenty20.

And that's just the first page of Google.

Journalistic hyberbole.

 

[andrew bell]

The only difference between South Africa and England was AB de Villiers - A man who is at his deadliest best in the final few overs of a T20 innings ....

And Jade Dernbach

 

[Johnuk123]

And Jade Dernbach

He's been dropped unfortunately at least 10 matches too late.

 

[Oswyntail]

Oh dear, got out of bed the wrong side did we.

.....

Just because you read a cliche in the paper doesn't mean you have to repeat it. Oh....

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Have England now 'crashed?'....or is there a better adjective to describe the game against The Netherlands?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

If England 'crashed out' of the T20, what did Australia do today, then?

Good point. Down South is suddenly very quiet at the present time on this website.

 

[ainsworth74]

Though after what just happened against the Netherlands perhaps we should be wary of throwing rocks in glass houses?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Have England now 'crashed?'....or is there a better adjective to describe the game against The Netherlands?

I suppose that it was bad enough for England to manage only 88 all out against "the minnows" of the group....the very same Netherlands team who in an earlier match in this tournament were dismissed by Sri Lanka for the lowest-ever International T20 score of 39 all out.
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Though after what just happened against the Netherlands perhaps we should be wary of throwing rocks in glass houses?

Knowing the run of bad form shown by England at this level, all the glass windows would remain intact..

 

[Oswyntail]

Have England now 'crashed?'....or is there a better adjective to describe the game against The Netherlands?

yes, it is appropriate today And, for once, we can't blame Dernbach. Interesting the SL/NZ match is looking like being a low scorer too.

 

[Johnuk123]

Have England now 'crashed?'....or is there a better adjective to describe the game against The Netherlands?

To prove how bad we are today they let the minnows of world cricket thrash us for good measure.

Despite a few on here still thinking we're just a bit unlucky other that bad.

We just haven't got a clue. we're simply awful and if Giles is appointed we're going to spend years in the wilderness.

 

[Oswyntail]

To prove how bad we are today they let the minnows of world cricket thrash us for good measure.

Despite a few on here still thinking we're just a bit unlucky other that bad.

We just haven't got a clue. we're simply awful and if Giles is appointed we're going to spend years in the wilderness.

The match against NZ was effectively a "NR"; against SL the batting was good, the bowling inconsistent but up to the task; the same could be said about the match against SA. Today's match had better bowling, but the batsmen fell between two stools, unsure whether to go for the runs quickly or simply nurdle. That does come down to team management, and, surprisingly, I agree with you that Giles would be a poor choice (though who else has come forward).
This does not mean "we haven't got a clue", and England were not "simply awful".
Of the squad who played, only Dernbach and Bresnan are certain to be dropped as failures, and there are several possible replacements. The spinners were a mixed bunch, but were tidy enough. Apart from today, the batsmen showed they could score heavily and pace an innings. Buttler was untidy behind the stumps.
Honestly, there is not that much that needs to be done.

 

[Johnuk123]

Honestly, there is not that much that needs to be done.

 

[Oswyntail]

OK, apart from the standard kneejerk "get rid of everyone" beloved of English pundits, would you care to comment on my earlier assessment? Go through each of those who played in the T20 tournament, and tell us who you think failed, and, in which matches the team as a whole failed (rather than merely lost).

 

[DownSouth]

Good point. Down South is suddenly very quiet at the present time on this website.

The reason is that I don't give a crap about it (national teams should only play T20 in rare exhibition matches for charity or to honour a retiring great) and haven't even been following it.

Why should Australians care about a bit of made-for-TV hit and giggle for the Indian-based sponsors when we've just won The Ashes by 1031 runs and 23 wickets, taken down the careers of four English senior players and the coach, taken back the ODI no1 ranking, defeated the best Test team in the world on their home turf and had one of the most competitive Sheffield Shield seasons ever? To say that Australian fans should then have to care about T20 would be like going out for a superb meal at a top restaurant and then going to McD's for a cheeseburger after the last course.

And no, I can't even be bothered to have a laugh at the English loss against the Dutch - the Dutch simply played well on the day and took ownership of that handful of crucial moments which decide a T20 game in the absence of enough time for a side to recover and counter-attack. It's not like England actually wanted to win, if they did there would have been more players from their First XI (only 2/11 - Broad and Bresnan) and fewer "T20 specialists" who would struggle to get a First Class match for their domestic sides.

There are some things which England should be embarrassed about before this T20 game - like getting walloped 5-0 in a Test series they were supposed to win, or losing to the West Indies in an ODI series, or having just one series result in the forced replacement of four senior players and the ugly disintegration of the national team structure being played out in the tabloids. In the long term it's probably better for England that they didn't perform too well in the T20 carnival, lest it make the team management too comfortable resting on their laurels (flimsy plastic laurels if it was a T20 win).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Why should Australians care about a bit of made-for-TV hit and giggle for the Indian-based sponsors when we've just won The Ashes by 1031 runs and 23 wickets, taken down the careers of four English senior players and the coach, taken back the ODI no1 ranking, defeated the best Test team in the world on their home turf and had one of the most competitive Sheffield Shield seasons ever? To say that Australian fans should then have to care about T20 would be like going out for a superb meal at a top restaurant and then going to McD's for a cheeseburger after the last course.

If that be the case, it beggars belief that the Australian cricketing authorities even bothered to go to the trouble of entering this competition in the first place and their players should have made their feelings known to their national cricketing body that they were not be prepared to demean themselves by playing in such a tournament such as this.

That said, I am as ever pleased to see your good self back in print on the "Cricket" thread.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

They were thrashed, walloped, marmalised. How can anyone in the side hold his head up after failing to make a record winning score by the massive margin of 3 - yes THREE - runs:roll: This is what we get when Merkel and her ilk run the EU.

Marmalised, that's a word I have not heard for a very long time. I think it came from a 1960s or 1970s childrens tv show.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Marmalised, that's a word I have not heard for a very long time. I think it came from a 1960s or 1970s childrens tv show.

I thought it was a word used by Ken Dodd.

 

[DownSouth]

If that be the case, it beggars belief that the Australian cricketing authorities even bothered to go to the trouble of entering this competition in the first place and their players should have made their feelings known to their national cricketing body that they were not be prepared to demean themselves by playing in such a tournament such as this.

Given only three of the First XI were playing (Watson, Warner and Haddin) I think this might very well have happened. Those three were probably only selected to artificially equalise the Sheffield Shield final at Canberra against Western Australia having the disadvantage of Mitchell Johnson out with an injury, but NSW still managed to win without those players.
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The low number of national players might also be due to poor scheduling having Australia playing Twenty20 in two locations at once - Australia was simultaneously fielding a team in matches against the Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers at the SCG as a warmup for the Diamondbacks-Dodgers season-opening Major League games there

 

[Whistler40145]

Who in your opinion should get the England job?

Do you discount Ashley Giles as he couldn't even lead England well in the ICC T20 tournament?

Please comment

 

[andrew bell]

Who in your opinion should get the England job?

Do you discount Ashley Giles as he couldn't even lead England well in the ICC T20 tournament?

Please comment

Mike Newell or Peter Moores.

Giles is out of his depth atm in International cricket a la Moores was 5-6 years ago, but is now worthy of another chance.

 

[Whistler40145]

I think we need a fresh face at the top, with Giles keeping his current position or get rid of Giles & give his job to Paul Collingwood.