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What do you all think of Bob Willis calling for Carberry, Prior & Swann to be dropped for the Boxing Day Test & be replaced by Ballance, Bairstow & Panesar, with Root moving back to open & Stokes down to no. 7?

Also, what do all think of Geoff Boycott calling for an ultimatum by Andy Flower as to his commitment to the England squad? He has more or less said, that if Flower is getting bored of the job, go now!
 
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Why the obsession that only English coaches should manage the English national cricket team ? I note that in the sport of Rugby Union, Warren Gatland seems well thought of by the Welsh Rugby Union in his post as coach to the national side and has just signed a new contract keeping him in post until 2019 and he most certainly is not a "son of the valleys".
 

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What do you all think of Bob Willis calling for Carberry, Prior & Swann to be dropped for the Boxing Day Test & be replaced by Ballance, Bairstow & Panesar, with Root moving back to open & Stokes down to no. 7?

Also, what do all think of Geoff Boycott calling for an ultimatum by Andy Flower as to his commitment to the England squad? He has more or less said, that if Flower is getting bored of the job, go now!

All the pundits are having a bit of a field day at the moment, as they always do when the England team has lost a series in such circumstances. Personally, I haven't been convinced that Root is good enough to open (one decent innings at Lords?) and I would have kept Compton, but clearly his face didn't fit and all that's in the past. Is Bairstow a better 'keeper than Prior? I doubt it...in the one day team even Buttler is ahead of him. If Prior is mentally shot, then it's a possibility - but only a year ago Prior was England's Cricketer of the year! Swann does appear to have lost it a bit (or quite a lot?) since his operation and Monty did out bowl him in the UAE and India, so I might go with that...(and someone might have to come in for Broad also). Carberry hasn't done much wrong and I don't know enough about Ballance.
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What do you all think of Bob Willis calling for Carberry, Prior & Swann to be dropped for the Boxing Day Test & be replaced by Ballance, Bairstow & Panesar, with Root moving back to open & Stokes down to no. 7?
I don't think Carberry deserves to be dropped, he's one of the few who has consistently played with pride and has the potential to develop further. Root should stay where he is because it's working, and if Cook repeats his WACA performance he'll effectively end up opening anyway.

Bairstow and Panesar would be good changes if the aim is to send a message to the senior players that resting on faded former glories is not acceptable any longer.

Bringing in another bowler for Anderson should be considered too, he's physically and mentally worn down from having been used by Cook as a stock bowling hack rather than a striking spearhead and he's been well and truly worked out by our batsmen. He could do with a long period off before returning to the side on home wickets that help him out.

Prior's current form is probably worse than Brad Haddin's was when he was mocked for the same sort of Kamran Akmal-esque form and dropped for Matthew Wade. Giving Bairstow a shot it the only way to work out if he's good enough (although he must be decent if he's the second-choice keeper, else why did he get on the plane to come here?) and to whether Prior would fade into the background or respond as Haddin did to come back with match-winning form.

Oh really? I admire Collingwood, he's never been replaced in the England team, but whether or not he would - or should - be coach I don't know. I'd stick with Flower anyway.
I would suggest Collingwood should be avoided for a few more years yet. Overseeing too many of his former team-mates would be an untenable position, and his coaching career is very much still in the early days and wouldn't need to be rushed.

It's for a similar reason that Darren Lehmann wasn't appointed earlier, now that Michael Hussey retired at the start of this year there is only one player left in the Australian side he played alongside for just a very short overlap at the end of his playing career - Michael Clarke.

Surely, not Ashley Giles. I would pick Graham Gooch ahead of him.
I can't see Gooch's position as the England batting coach surviving another three weeks, let alone him being in line for a promotion.

Giles could turn out to be decent based on his playing career. As a bowler he was quite average but somehow managed to punch above his weight once he got his tactics sorted out.

The main thing to consider is that a good coach does not necessarily need to have been a top player first. The international coaching successes of Jamie Siddons (never broke through to play for Australia) and Steve Rixon (third-choice wicketkeeper behind Rod Marsh and Wayne Phillips) are good examples of that.

Also, what do all think of Geoff Boycott calling for an ultimatum by Andy Flower as to his commitment to the England squad? He has more or less said, that if Flower is getting bored of the job, go now!
I don't think Boycott's blovations deserve to be honoured by a response, and I'm pretty sure that Andy Flower is smart enough to not get sucked into that.

I know that here in Adelaide there was never any question of Flower's commitment in the years he played for South Australia after his exit from international cricket, he was very much respected as a player of incredible quality and as an intelligent cricketer was very much sought after as an informal vice-captain.

I also don't think that the English coach argument needs to be trotted out here. As a number of senior players retire in the next couple of years, his experience of holding back the tide with only a couple of other international-quality players in his side is probably going to be quite relevant for England.
 

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Bringing in another bowler for Anderson should be considered too, he's physically and mentally worn down from having been used by Cook as a stock bowling hack rather than a striking spearhead and he's been well and truly worked out by our batsmen. He could do with a long period off before returning to the side on home wickets that help him out.

I have enjoyed your posting responses upon the Cricket thread during the current Test series and you have summed up the Anderson over-use situation perfectly with this summation.

Lancashire have indeed missed his services as a regular top line strike bowler over recent years in County cricket.
 

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IMHO England have relied too much on Jimmy Anderson as the other bowlers haven't fired.

We have tried different bowling combinations, but this didn't work, so what do we do next?

Outside of the Ashes series, are there any other bowlers who could be getting a call up?

We always pick Right Arm bowlers, why not pick a Left Arm bowler?

Does anyone think the problems within the squad are at a level above Andy Flower i.e. Geoff Miller?
 

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Next year is irrelevant, they should be now thinking of the players for the next Ashes series in 2015.

Anderson, Prior, Swann, Pietersen and a few others will be long gone then.
 

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Next year is irrelevant, they should be now thinking of the players for the next Ashes series in 2015.

Anderson, Prior, Swann, Pietersen and a few others will be long gone then.

It appears that one of those you name above will be gone much earlier than 2015, as Graeme Swann has announced that he is retiring from all forms of cricket with immediate effect, so that seems to make the matter of the spin attack for the last two Test matches as something to concentrate the minds of the England team management.
 

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The consensus here is that Swann's retirement was only "chosen" by him in the face of getting dropped from the Test setup after being tonked out of the attack three times in a row and shown up by Nathan Lyon. Swann had already been culled from the ODI squad and was regarded as being a 50-50 chance of selection at best for the MCG, and being 32 years old (and having no away Tests against serious opposition coming up in the next two years) would make it nearly impossible for him to win back a spot in the team.

A tour of Australia can build a visiting team or it can destroy it. The outcome of this summer is already starting to look very clear on that front.
 

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Does anyone think Swann's retirement has anything to do with Andy Flower's leadership?


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Where does England go now with Spin bowling?

Do they keep Monty Panesar as the main Spin bowler & get a younger bowler as his deputy?

Who does the Forum think will be getting an England call up in the near future?
 

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A rain-ruined domestic T20 match in Hobart today (Adelaide vs Hobart) turned up a nice little feature of the Network Ten broadcast (the third match in their first ever cricket broadcast deal) which was the allowing of the umpires to be heard as well as seen. Each time there was a delay the boundary-riding reporter would catch up with one of the umpires who did a fantastic job of explaining the state things were in and what would happen next to try and get some sort of match played.

As a specialist yes but we also have Joe Root who can bowl spin and even KP can turn his arm over
Joe Root's bowling has asked more questions of our batsmen in this series so far than Swann's pies have, and Cook should be giving him more overs as an attacking tactic like Michael Clarke does with Steven Smith.

With the series result already decided, this would be the perfect time to tell Root he now has the chance to have a go with the ball without any selection implications now that his place is secure based on his batting alone, and see if he can rise to the occasion in the same way he's done with the bat. With the best economy rate in the team so far, he could be useful in a bowling partnership where he works for the other bowler's wickets by tying down one end. The worst case is that he just does a reasonable job of soaking up some overs to allow the seamers to have shorter spells of hitting the deck hard with intent instead of spending hours sending down harmless dibbly-dobbly fodder.
 

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As a brief aside, in the first Test match between South Africa and India, both these teams showed an example to England of what the second innings can mean, score-wise, after posting a low first innings score.

India 280 and 421....South Africa 244 and 450-7

South Africa put in a manful second innings effort to enable the match to be drawn and not lost. Not all that many teams score 450 in a second innings when trying to stave off defeat. It looked ominously bad for them at 197-4, but they took the score on to 402 before the fall of the next wicket.
 

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As a brief aside, in the first Test match between South Africa and India, both these teams showed an example to England of what the second innings can mean, score-wise, after posting a low first innings score.

India 280 and 421....South Africa 244 and 450-7

South Africa put in a manful second innings effort to enable the match to be drawn and not lost. Not all that many teams score 450 in a second innings when trying to stave off defeat. It looked ominously bad for them at 197-4, but they took the score on to 402 before the fall of the next wicket.

SA should have won, they shut up shop when really they could have got the win and achieve the highest ever 4th innings run chase in Test Cricket!
 

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Australia won the toss at the MCG and put England in to bat, a fairly even day of play led to England 6/226 at stumps.

There were a couple of major milestones today:

1. England managed, for the first time on this tour, to go a whole day's play without spending time in the field.

2. 91,092 people attended the match, bettering the world record for the highest attendance at a cricket match ever - also at the MCG which holds the limited overs crowd record as well.
 

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Harris put in a good day's tight bowling and deserved to finish with figures of 20-8-32-2.
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As the line in the song says....what a difference a day makes. The wicket here is most certainly not the same as was encountered at the WACA and runs have to be worked for. England still decided to continue with their consistency regarding middle order collapses and calmly and serenely proceeded from 202-4 to 255 all out.

However, Anderson and Broad decided to respond in the best possible way to the comments made about their paring as the main England strike attack and took three wickets each, with Bresnan chipping in with a couple and nine Australian wickets fell in the day, still leaving Australia quite a deficit to make up with the last wicket stand in progress with Haddin still there, having had his appeal against being given out overturned.
 

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It was pleasant to see England actually have a good day, but as has been said previously in this thread, England have had Australia on the ropes (almost) in each first innings but have been unable to finish them off. Hopefully they can take the last wicket quickly and then try to build a decent lead, but they will have to bat well.
 

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Hopefully they can take the last wicket quickly and then try to build a decent lead, but they will have to bat well.

Well they managed to stay true to form with yet another predictable batting collapse, the sooner this humiliating series finishes the better.
 

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Well they managed to stay true to form with yet another predictable batting collapse, the sooner this humiliating series finishes the better.

I'm beginning to agree with you on this....I'm scared of turning the PC on in the morning!
 

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Another rubbish performance by England.

Should or will Alistair Cook be relieved of the Captaincy?

Is it time for Flower to leave?


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Australia 222-2 ... (50.2 overs)
Rogers 116
Watson 75 not out

An eight-wicket fourth Australian Test match series win, in which they scored at over four runs per over in their second innings. If you get time, just look at the bowling figures of the three England pace bowlers in this second innings Australian score to see the difference in average runs per over conceded, when England were trying to check the run rate.
 

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Well they managed to stay true to form with yet another predictable batting collapse, the sooner this humiliating series finishes the better.

Yes I agree with you, this series has been very disappointing.

(By the way, I like your Blue Pullman avatar :) )
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I Must admit I am not than keen on cricket or football, I prefer Rugby.

(I had an incident with someone else's brand new, expensive, cricket sweater and a large cup of black coffee. It must have put me off the game somewhat):oops:

However I do hope we may at least get a draw in the forthcoming 5th test.
 
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I must admit I am not than keen on cricket or football, I prefer Rugby.

We are always looking for new blood to reinvigorate the posting input on both the Rugby Union and the Rugby League master threads on the General Discussion Forum.....:D
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Third ODI match...21 overs per side

New Zealand..283-4
Anderson 131 not out (14x6, 6x4)
Ryder 104 (5x6, 12x4)

West Indies...124-5

Corey Anderson scored the fastest-ever international century in only 36 balls

Rampaul registered bowling figures to forever forget...3-0-64-0..:roll:
 
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That would have been a non-official exhibition game if it was only 21 overs each, for a List A match (including ODIs) to count as anything other than "abandoned, no result" requires each side to get at least 25 of the 50 overs scheduled.

I wonder if there was a tacit agreement between the captains to put on a WWE-style scripted show for the fans who had stuck around and let the home team hit a whole lot of sixes?


In other oddities, last night's T20 match at Sydney featured the first known instance of the Zing bails (the ones with the LEDs that flash once dislodged) falling back into the groove and counting as not out. The Sydney Thunder have now gone 741 days since their last victory, in the early stages of the first edition of the BBL.
 

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