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andrew bell

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On the domestic side of things, what are the thoughts on next season's T20 competition beign rebranded T20 Blast, and also Warwickshire becoming the Birmingham Bears for said competition?

Seems silly calling it T20 blast when it lasts nearly the whole season. Also Middlesex are going to be playing 2 matches on May 17 as they entertain both Sussex & Essex in the T20 blast at Lords, the first time a T20 match is being played as a double header outside finals day
 
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I hope Cricket Australia earn some royalties for the ECB using the same name as their junior competition!

Glad to see our antipodal forum member is still gracing the Cricket thread. Not being too sure how long you have followed the game, but how do you think that your very own Bill Lawry would have reacted to being asked to open for Australia in a T20 match ?
 

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Rugby League professional clubs went down this avenue some years ago and my own Rugby Union professional team are now known as Sale Sharks. Something that seems to be borrowed from the American "gridiron" football league possibly.

Was there already some renaming of the top county cricket sides in the short game as borne out by the title Lancashire Lightning.
My take of it is that it's not the adopting of team nicknames (i.e. the 'Bears' bit) that's contentious but that they are competing as Birmingham rather than Warwickshire.

We went down this road in Australia two seasons ago, with the state teams (complete with the long-established nicknames like the Southern Redbacks, Western Warriors etc) continuing to compete in the First Class and List A competitions and separate T20 Big Bash League teams in the six capital cities (i.e. the Adelaide Strikers instead of the Southern Redbacks) with two teams in Melbourne and two in Sydney.

I'm not sure it's been a good thing though, Australian domestic cricket has always been the best in the world primarily because having only the six state teams maintained an elite standard - the wicketkeepers Tim Ambrose and Luke Ronchi have played internationals for England and New Zealand respectively despite having been unable to make the first XI for their state sides here. I think a better move would have been to expand the number of matches to a full home-and-away schedule instead of spreading the talent over more teams.

Seems silly calling it T20 blast when it lasts nearly the whole season. Also Middlesex are going to be playing 2 matches on May 17 as they entertain both Sussex & Essex in the T20 blast at Lords, the first time a T20 match is being played as a double header outside finals day
That's going to be interesting to see how Middlesex handle two matches in one day from a fitness and performance point of view, and whether it makes a distinct advantage for their fresh opponents in the second match. There's a big difference in the performance you see in a T20 compared to a List A match, having to field for 50 overs necessitates the fielders pacing themselves early on.

One of the things I love about T20 that you can't have in other formats is having a double-header with a women's interstate match in the afternoon followed by the men under lights. The power and speed might is less than you see in the men's matches (although Ellyse Perry and Megan Schutt can both bowl as fast as Chris Tremlett) but the skills are still excellent.

Glad to see our antipodal forum member is still gracing the Cricket thread. Not being too sure how long you have followed the game, but how do you think that your very own Bill Lawry would have reacted to being asked to open for Australia in a T20 match ?
As a patriotic cricketer I think he would have loved it, but not as much as if he was asked to open for Victoria in a T20 ;)

I'm not anywhere near old enough to have seen him play, but according to what it says of his batting style on the fount of all knowledge I think he could have done quite well. Rotating the strike is an underrated skill in T20 batting, because going the tonk isn't always possible. Lawry did get a List A century in the first season of domestic one day cricket in Australia (his only season) which would suggest he would have had little trouble adapting to the different format.

We're only one Test into the season now and I already miss Tony and Bill from the TV coverage, for my whole life it had never been summer without them until last year.
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The local newspapers here in Adelaide spotted Jonny Bairstow, Kevin Pietersen and Stuart Broad out drinking until after 3:30am yesterday morning. Sounds like good preparation for a Test Match.
 

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First day of second test ends with the Aussies at 273-5.

Reasonable start for us but Australia certainly in the driving seat so far.
 

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First day of second test ends with the Aussies at 273-5.

Reasonable start for us but Australia certainly in the driving seat so far.

Matters such as the three catches which went down in the final session are not exactly the way to "turn the screw".
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Just looked in at 0100 GMT....

Australia 340-5
Clarke 91 not out
Haddin 31 not out

Consolidation taking place and a good platform being established.
 

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Australia 570-9 declared.

All we had to do was at least not lose a wicket before close but Cook gone already.

Getting a draw here looks unlikely, so if we do lose again then it's series gone along with half the team.

It just shows how all the stupid talk of a whitewash by us was exactly that - stupid.
 

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It just shows how all the stupid talk of a whitewash by us was exactly that - stupid.

That was the usual mindless misplaced xenophobic sports media euphoria, who every four years try to whip up sports drivel about "Will England win the football World Cup"...<(
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Australia 570-9 declared. All we had to do was at least not lose a wicket before close but Cook gone already.

Bowling figues for the two England slow bowlers:-

Swann.....36-4-151-2

Panesar...44-7-157-1

There you have a meagre haul of three wickets at a cost of 308 runs.
 

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That was the usual mindless misplaced xenophobic sports media euphoria, who every four years try to whip up sports drivel about "Will England win the football World Cup"...<(

That's right, it's been very obvious for some time our batsmen are simply not good enough. I think Our bowlers who have rescued us in the past are not able to keep doing it continually.

One thing's certain if we do go on to lose this test which is very likely WE are the ones facing a whitewash.

The next one's in Perth where we have won once in our history so we can assume we won't win there either.

You wouldn't mind if the Aussies were really good but compared to previous teams they're really very average just lucky to have 2 very fast bowlers.
 
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That's right, it's been very obvious for some time our batsmen are simply not good enough. I think Our bowlers who have rescued us in the past are not able to keep doing it continually.

One thing's certain if we do go on to lose this test which is very likely WE are the ones facing a whitewash.

The next one's in Perth where we have won once in our history so we can assume we won't win there either.

You wouldn't mind if the Aussies were really good but compared to previous teams they're really very average just lucky to have 2 very fast bowlers.

It makes for very difficult watching! Very impressed by Johnson's bowling, though, Cook seemed to have been beaten for sheer pace, not something that we have seen for some time. I wouldn't be so hard on England's batsmen, they have certainly had a poor time recently but that doesn't make them bad players....unfortunately the media do tend to 'over-hype' the England team (it happens in all sports) and love to shoot them down.
I agree with your comment about the Aussies, Clarke is going through a good patch again and Haddin plays his best against England..but in the first innings of both tests Eng have had them 130/6 and 170/4 and perhaps should have (or would have in the recent past) skittled them quickly.
 

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England 172 all out

Johnson 7-40

England are nothing if not consistent in their middle-order collapses which appear to be their trademark now. They went from 111-3 to 135-9 in this latest debacle, with only Carberry 60 and Bell 72 not out emerging with any semblance of credit.

Australia 86-3

Anderson struck twice to leave them 4-2, but consolidation to add to their huge first innings lead then ensued.
 

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Well it's virtually guaranteed that the Aussies will whitewash us now in this series.

We have made a very average side look like world beaters and made a recent laughing stock of a bowler look like the best bowler ever.

Make no mistake this terrible defeat is mainly psychological, they did us in the first match and we have such weak and timid players that we simply can't respond.At this rate Trott won't be the only one suffering from stress.

We have opened ourselves up to world cricket ridicule and it's only going to get worse.

Ashes series are traditionally the place where players are broken but this time it's a complete side.

This probable series whitewash may well go down as the worst test defeat in test history.
Even in our darkest days in Australia in the past we have never been this completely and utterly inept.

Gooch the batting coach should immediately resign, Bell has been reasonable but all the other batsmen are so bad it's untrue.The bowlers can't be expected to save a side that can't score 200 on a wicket simply brilliant for scoring on.

It's a pity we can't come home now to save any further major embarrassment.
 

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Well it's virtually guaranteed that the Aussies will whitewash us now in this series.

We have made a very average side look like world beaters and made a recent laughing stock of a bowler look like the best bowler ever.

Make no mistake this terrible defeat is mainly psychological, they did us in the first match and we have such weak and timid players that we simply can't respond.At this rate Trott won't be the only one suffering from stress.

We have opened ourselves up to world cricket ridicule and it's only going to get worse.

Ashes series are traditionally the place where players are broken but this time it's a complete side.

This probable series whitewash may well go down as the worst test defeat in test history.
Even in our darkest days in Australia in the past we have never been this completely and utterly inept.

Gooch the batting coach should immediately resign, Bell has been reasonable but all the other batsmen are so bad it's untrue.The bowlers can't be expected to save a side that can't score 200 on a wicket simply brilliant for scoring on.

It's a pity we can't come home now to save any further major embarrassment.

Goodness me, you're very gloomy this morning....chin up, it can't get worse! (or can it?)
Seriously, I know how you feel, but I don't have a problem with Johnson's excellent bowling, more the manner of the dismissals of Root and Carberry (when they had done the hard work) and Pietersen. fast bowlers should be able to blow the tail away, but the batsmen should be able to perform much better than that and not succumb to Lyon/Watson/Siddle in the manner they did.....surprised that Clarke didn't enforce the follow-on - modern way I suppose.
 

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Surprised that Clarke didn't enforce the follow-on - modern way I suppose.

Some Australian captains in the days of yore would take the greatest delight in humiliating England by enforcing the follow-on. That said, such was the size of the lead that Australia held after the latest England collapse that a follow-on would be the most obvious thing to do to futher shatter the confidence (<() of the England batsmen.
 

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There are three theories going around here at Adelaide Oval* about why Australia batted again last night.

One is that it was quite hot yesterday and will be again today, and it was a good opportunity to make the England bowlers run around for 40 overs in the hottest part of the afternoon.

The second more interesting one is that it's a Darren Lehmann psychological tactic - that Australia will bat on for about an hour this morning to get the England players firmly in the bowling/fielding state of mind before declaring and forcing them to switch.

The third one is the cynical view that money would have been lost if the match didn't go a decent way into the fourth day for which tickets are pre-sold - as a person working at the match I kind of need to agree there!


* I work on the production crew running the stadium's video and audio systems for the crowd, my day gets busy in 5 minutes from now!
 

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I was chatting to a couple of radio media people over my lunch break just now, and it seems that Ian Botham has given up on England's hopes for holding The Ashes - he's signed with Network Ten to call the domestic T20 series here starting in two weeks' time.
 

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A tiny bit of improvement especially Root but obviously only delaying the inevitable.
I think every game the hopelessly out of form Cook plays only furthers his demise.

Ian Bothams idea that we'd win 0-5 is looking somewhat silly now.
 

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The remaining four wickets took only an hour to wrap up this morning in overcast conditions for a 218 run win, Broad set the tone for the team by getting out with a hook shot in the first over of the day, Prior managed to hit a few boundaries with the field all set up for catching but there was no support at the other end.

The crowd for the match was 153,530 - a full house on days 1-4 and a healthy bunch of about 12,000 for this morning, including a fair few checking out the new Riverbank Stand which was open to non-members for the first time.

Ian Bothams idea that we'd win 0-5 is looking somewhat silly now.
Indeed, he is now saying a good achievement for England would be to avoid losing 5-0.
 

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This Ashes series is now gone so I would imagine the cricket authorities should be looking at who will remain after the cull.

Cook has just been on saying England can still win the series, a bit like Hitler in the last days of WW2, he was deluded too.
 
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That appears to mirror what the Australian captain was saying about the Australian chances when they played in the last Ashes series in England.

To be fair to Cook you would expect him to say it but he knows full well that his side is shot.
 

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That appears to mirror what the Australian captain was saying about the Australian chances when they played in the last Ashes series in England.
Clarke was actually remotely close to being realistic though, there was only one match in the previous series where England dominated and won by a large margin. The others were all close losses or weather-affected draws, and England still hasn't managed to pass 400 since a match in Wellington three series ago.

Australia v England history at the WACA makes it look like Cook's mythical fightback will have to start at some point later than the third match. The only time England has won at the WACA was in 1978-79 when Australia had to field what was effectively a Second XI during the ACB-WSC split years, and since 1986 we've had six wins in a row, all with very comfortable margins of victory.
 
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Aus 258-5 after being 143-5

Aussie wicketkeeper/batsman comes back to haunt England again...Ever since the days of Rod Marsh at least
 

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322-6 normal service is resumed.
The very average Smith is allowed to get 100 via our poor bowling.

The average score on this pitch is 323 and England haven't scored that in this series so things are again looking bleak.
 
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326-6 at stumps so already the Aussies have passed our highest ever score on this pitch. Rain isn't going to save us so unless we get a miracle we ain't got much hope.

You wouldn't mind if they had an outstanding side but they're average at best, we on the other hand are a broken side.
 

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I was getting a bit nervous earlier on, but feel much happier with the score now.

The Ashes will be back where they belong before Christmas, just how it should be.
 

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