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DarloRich

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Well done to Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Mark Wood - a bit of fight at last ! The less said about Jos Buttler the better.
still an utter failure from England and still a long way adrift of the Aussie 1st Innings score.

Hameed, Crawlet, Mallan, Root & Buttler all failed. Simply not good enough but at least 1 player showed a bit of fight. 2 if you include an injured Stokes.
 

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Some facts about Jonny Bairstow - he has a test batting average 8 runs higher when he keeps wicket too: his batting average when he's kept wicket is higher than anyone other than the incomparable Les Ames and Matt Prior: from the Boxing Day test of 2013 to the last test of the Ashes tour of 2019 he played in 57 of the 73 England tests. Like Mooen Ali, he's been treated disgracefully by the England management, shunted up and down the batting order in the sporadic tests they played. I pin the blame on Ashley Giles, appointed Managing Director of Men's Cricket in December 2018, a man with a final test bowling average over 40, which, for a player chosen as sole spinner for much of the time, is fairly pathetic. He was Michael Vaughan's best mate in cricket and thus able to secure his patronage for some years as skipper of the renowned Ashes series 0f 2005. His place on an Ashes tour of Australia when Monty Panesar had already shown he was a much more promising bowler led to much criticism, borne out by results.

I'm not surprised at his century, which came on the anniversary of his father's suicide in 1998, and he must don the gloves for the next test, regardless of whether Sam Billings plays. Buttler should never play another test (even Khawaja's drop by Root was because Buttler never got a hand to it!) Without that, England might have matched Australia's score at least.

P.S. Giles's benefit committee ordered tee shirts with 'King of Spin' emblazoned, but they came in with 'King of Spain' instead, which some might say was equally untrue. :D
 

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Bairstow has a suspected broken finger so is unlikely to keep wicket, but being hard as nails I think he will bat on in his innings and second innings, and maybe even play as a batsman in the final test
 

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Some facts about Jonny Bairstow - he has a test batting average 8 runs higher when he keeps wicket too: his batting average when he's kept wicket is higher than anyone other than the incomparable Les Ames and Matt Prior: from the Boxing Day test of 2013 to the last test of the Ashes tour of 2019 he played in 57 of the 73 England tests. Like Mooen Ali, he's been treated disgracefully by the England management, shunted up and down the batting order in the sporadic tests they played. I pin the blame on Ashley Giles, appointed Managing Director of Men's Cricket in December 2018, a man with a final test bowling average over 40, which, for a player chosen as sole spinner for much of the time, is fairly pathetic. He was Michael Vaughan's best mate in cricket and thus able to secure his patronage for some years as skipper of the renowned Ashes series 0f 2005. His place on an Ashes tour of Australia when Monty Panesar had already shown he was a much more promising bowler led to much criticism, borne out by results.

I'm not surprised at his century, which came on the anniversary of his father's suicide in 1998, and he must don the gloves for the next test, regardless of whether Sam Billings plays. Buttler should never play another test (even Khawaja's drop by Root was because Buttler never got a hand to it!) Without that, England might have matched Australia's score at least.

P.S. Giles's benefit committee ordered tee shirts with 'King of Spin' emblazoned, but they came in with 'King of Spain' instead, which some might say was equally untrue. :D
I'd love to know which numpty could even consider Ashley Giles for any position in the ECB lineup, the one at the top has to fall.

Who would be a suitable candidate for the role?
 

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The start of the new day saw Australia quickly see off the last of the batting resistance, Bairstow falling for 113 and England all out for 294.

Boland returned excellent innings bowling figures of 14.1 - 6 - 36 - 4.

Australia in their second innings are 86-4 after 29 overs, with all top four batsmen out. Two wickets each for Wood and Leach.
 
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Who would be a suitable candidate for the role?

Mike Atherton set out an interesting 'plan to reboot the Test team' (it's behind a paywall, I bought a physical copy of the newspaper so I can't post the article).

He proposes Andrew Strauss as ECB CEO (Tom Harrison's role) and for Ed Smith to take on Giles' role as managing director.

As much as I like Ed Smith, I can't see him coming back to what is effectively a poisoned chalice! Maybe Alec Stewart (currently in a similar role with Surrey) would be an option?
 

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Some facts about Jonny Bairstow - he has a test batting average 8 runs higher when he keeps wicket too: his batting average when he's kept wicket is higher than anyone other than the incomparable Les Ames and Matt Prior: from the Boxing Day test of 2013 to the last test of the Ashes tour of 2019 he played in 57 of the 73 England tests. Like Mooen Ali, he's been treated disgracefully by the England management, shunted up and down the batting order in the sporadic tests they played. I pin the blame on Ashley Giles, appointed Managing Director of Men's Cricket in December 2018, a man with a final test bowling average over 40, which, for a player chosen as sole spinner for much of the time, is fairly pathetic. He was Michael Vaughan's best mate in cricket and thus able to secure his patronage for some years as skipper of the renowned Ashes series 0f 2005. His place on an Ashes tour of Australia when Monty Panesar had already shown he was a much more promising bowler led to much criticism, borne out by results.

I'm not surprised at his century, which came on the anniversary of his father's suicide in 1998, and he must don the gloves for the next test, regardless of whether Sam Billings plays. Buttler should never play another test (even Khawaja's drop by Root was because Buttler never got a hand to it!) Without that, England might have matched Australia's score at least.

P.S. Giles's benefit committee ordered tee shirts with 'King of Spin' emblazoned, but they came in with 'King of Spain' instead, which some might say was equally untrue. :D
....and of course there was the quote - attributed to Henry Blofeld, I think - that Giles runs up to bowl like a wheelie bin, which I think Giles took exception to!
I agree about Giles' career, he was surely helped in his selection by the fact that he could bat a bit, which very much fitted in with the prevailing view at the time, and continues to be. Interestingly, I recall that when I read Moeen's autobiography a couple of years ago he did, being Moeen, only mildly criticise two people, one of whom was Giles.
 

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Should Sam Billings make his Test debut as Wicketkeeper in the final Test?
It's between Burns, Pope and Billings probably if Buttler and Bairstow are ruled out due to injury. I would personally stick with Pope having done a good job as sub, but think they will go with Billings. I am a big fan of surprise on team sheets, so would name a paceman as keeper to confuse the opponents, of course not using him in that role.
 

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Should Sam Billings make his Test debut as Wicketkeeper in the final Test?

It's between Burns, Pope and Billings probably if Buttler and Bairstow are ruled out due to injury. I would personally stick with Pope having done a good job as sub, but think they will go with Billings. I am a big fan of surprise on team sheets, so would name a paceman as keeper to confuse the opponents, of course not using him in that role.

They both may have to play: Buttler has a broken finger (maybe) Bairstow has a broken thumb (maybe) and Stokes is playing one armed.
 

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They are both capable fielders so it wouldn't be an issue. Would there be much competitive advantage to not giving away in advance which will keep?
 

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It's only a draw thanks to the rain disruption today and on previous days. The match should have been extended to compensate for the time lost. Appalling England deserved to lose.
Test matches should never be extended - in fact I don't like the extra half hour catch up they use for previous days' delays. The challenge of a Test match is to beat your opponent and the weather. I also don't like this nonsense of its too dark for pace bowlers but OK for spinners. If it's too dark for any type of bowler, we should be going off the field
 

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I agree entirely. Hopefully we can draw the 5th test too. Crawley looks a very good prospect, but is still struggling for consistency. Will be go on to be another Vince? Excellent at county level but not quite making it internationally, or can he make it happen?
 

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It's only a draw thanks to the rain disruption today and on previous days. The match should have been extended to compensate for the time lost. Appalling England deserved to lose.
Harsh

England survived 91 overs today, so it's not as if rain made a massive impact. The team and management were rightfully slaughtered for the capitulation at the MCG, but that was a gutsy effort today
 

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