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It may not have been blown up but to even seriously think of such a hair-brained scheme as detonating a nuclear bomb on the moon for no good reason makes you wonder at some peoples intelligence.

Remember, this was the era of Sputnik, which some people used to suggest that the USSR would be capable of hitting anywhere in the USA with a nuke, possibly by using fractional-orbital bombardment. They were seriously concerned at one point that the Soviets might start conducting tests on the Moon, which led to quite a few radio telescopes looking for gamma ray emissions. They found them all right, but not from the Moon, they were natural gamma ray bursts from supernovae.

What the point of making an extra crater or two would be is still unknown. It would be a bit hard to observe the effects, unlike a high-altitude test such as Starfish Prime. I imagine the radio astronomers were a bit reluctant to participate at first, until they started finding something interesting.
 
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I hate to be boring here...but no one has answered my OP (in laymans terms :oops:)

If there is nothing there in the first place how can there be anything there to create anything.

IE If at the beginning there was nothing how could anything be created :p

Am I a simpleton :cry: or have I missed something.
 

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If there is nothing there in the first place how can there be anything there to create anything.

IE If at the beginning there was nothing how could anything be created :p

Because the actual moment of the Big Bang is an infinitesimal point in time, and as such is a construct.

Basically everything* is still there as far back as you can go, at no point in time was there ever 'nothing'.

* mass plus energy, as the two are interconvertible
 

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Because the actual moment of the Big Bang is an infinitesimal point in time, and as such is a construct.

Basically everything* is still there as far back as you can go, at no point in time was there ever 'nothing'.

* mass plus energy, as the two are interconvertible

How can there never have been nothing , that does not make sense ?
 

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How can there never have been nothing , that does not make sense ?

Yes it does. There was always something; at all points in time (i.e. at all times after the big bang) there was something, right?

So if there was always something, then there was never nothing.
 

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Yes it does. There was always something; at all points in time (i.e. at all times after the big bang) there was something, right?

So if there was always something, then there was never nothing.

Well what was there before the "Big Bang"
 

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Well what was there before the "Big Bang"

Think of the Big Bang as a metaphor. Don't think of it as a concrete "thing". It is defined as the beginning of time for ease of reference. Whatever and whenever it was is immaterial.
 

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I go by what I read, which is a bunch of people poo pooing something, that is generally accepted to be true by the people in the know, like they know something they don't.


Sorry to have missed your statement above earlier in the thread, so I will address my query now.

Can you define what you mean by the phrase "in the know" in the quote above and inform us from where this knowledge emanates and the veracity of this self-same knowledge that possesses incontrovertible truths that have been proved against all other reasoned argumentation upon the subjects in question.
 

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/penn_state_quantum_loop_universe_theory/

The Register said:
Big Bang bashing boffins ‘Big Bounce’ back to BIRTH OF TIME
The universe before inflation took hold

By Richard Chirgwin

A group of Penn State physicists says the universe we now see could have arisen from a "Big Bounce" rather than a Big Bang.

The new work by Penn State, led by professor Abhay Ashtekar, director of the Institute for Gravitation and the Cosmos, proposes ways to apply quantum physics "further back in time than ever before – right back to the beginning," the university says in a release.

We have a pretty good idea of the large-scale structures of the universe when it was only a few hundred thousand years old. That comes from studying the fingerprint of the ancient universe that's visible in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB), which has been intensely mapped and studied since its discovery in 1964.

However, the CMB – which marked the "inflationary" period of the universe – poses its own much-argued mystery: why isn't it smooth? How did the "lumps" emerge? (And it's a good thing they did, by the way, since galaxies, stars, planets, and people are all a consequence of those lumps).

The nutshell of Ashtekar's proposal is this: if you can apply quantum physics to the structures of the very early universe, it could explain the structures we now see. And that's what Ashtekar's group believes it has done – it's created a paradigm that uses the emerging field of "quantum loop cosmology" to explain how quantum fluctuations might have created the pre-inflationary structures which, after the universe's inflationary phase, formed the kernels for the universe we know see.

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Boing!
 
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