Could LNER services be diverted to Liverpool Street?

[AlanFry1]

Could LNER be diverted into Liverpool Street if Welwyn is to ever go ahead for four tracking?

 

[mm333]

Could LNER be diverted into Liverpool Street if Welwyn is to ever go ahead for four tracking?

If I've read the supplemental agreement correctly, Hull Trains already have permission to use Liverpool Street, they were granted it at the same time getting permission to use St Pancras https://orrprdpubreg1.blob.core.windows.net/docs/T-18-61-10-01 13th SA Hull Trains Company Ltd.pdf

 

[transmanche]

Could LNER be diverted into Liverpool Street if Welwyn is to ever go ahead for four tracking?

If the line were blocked at Welwyn, I suspect that LNER services would simply be diverted via the Hertford Loop

 

[Statto]

If the line were blocked at Welwyn, I suspect that LNER services would simply be diverted via the Hertford Loop

I'm sure after Hatfield derailment & Potters Bar crash, were the line via Welwyn was blocked, LNER went that way

 

[Mag_seven]

I'm sure after Hatfield derailment & Potters Bar crash, were the line via Welwyn was blocked, LNER went that way

LNER are routinely diverted via the Hertford Loop - there is nothing unusual in that.

 

[The Planner]

Liverpool St was looked at for the Kings Cross work, didn't get very far.

 

[edwin_m]

If I've read the supplemental agreement correctly, Hull Trains already have permission to use Liverpool Street, they were granted it at the same time getting permission to use St Pancras https://orrprdpubreg1.blob.core.windows.net/docs/T-18-61-10-01 13th SA Hull Trains Company Ltd.pdf

Maybe something to do with the original Hull Trains operation using Anglia 170s.

 

[cactustwirly]

Technically yes, but there isn't the capacity in Liverpool Street for LNER services

 

[Bald Rick]

Welwyn isn’t going to be 4 tracked though. And even if it was, I’m not sure what relevance this would be for diverting to Liverpool St?

In any event, the lines to Liverpool Street from the ECML direction are all at capacity all day (and not just in the peak).

 

[Peter Kelford]

Would there be any point in having trains to Cannon St, Victoria and Waterloo? It would, of course, be diesel or bi-mode only.

 

[30907]

Would there be any point in having trains to Cannon St, Victoria and Waterloo? It would, of course, be diesel or bi-mode only.

Where from? None of those is easily accessible from North of the Thames or has capacity for extra trains.

 

[pdeaves]

And even if it was, I’m not sure what relevance this would be for diverting to Liverpool St?

I expect THarris1303 was thinking of somewhere in London to send trains whilst the (hypothetical) work is under way, rather than a permanent change.

 

[Peter Kelford]

We could always build a few bays at Finsbury Park and Peterborough

 

[Ianno87]

We could always build a few bays at Finsbury Park and Peterborough

....or just terminate in the through platforms....

 

[Peter Kelford]

....or just terminate in the through platforms....

Which do not have capacity.

 

[Peter Kelford]

Which do not have capacity.

I've always thought that the old and largely disused Peterborough depot could be used as extra platforms.

 

[Bald Rick]

Which do not have capacity.

Oh they do. When you reduce the train service!

 

[Ianno87]

Which do not have capacity.

They do if trains can't run through them to King's Cross!

 

[Peter Kelford]

They do if trains can't run through them to King's Cross!

I meant as capacity for additional services.

 

[Aictos]

I've always thought that the old and largely disused Peterborough depot could be used as extra platforms.

What depot?

 

[edwin_m]

Are 80x and Mk4 stock cleared into Liverpool Street in any case?

 

[Peter Kelford]

What depot?

The one to the north east of the main station.

 

[Aictos]

The one to the north east of the main station.

You do realise you have to build platforms and that it’s not largely disused

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Which do not have capacity.

Why not? Quick drop off on down platforms, go down and pick up again from up platforms? Or use both up and down platforms for terminating trains - as there wouldn’t be any southbound trains to accommodate

 

[Peter Kelford]

You do realise you have to build platforms and that it’s not largely disused

All I've seen are 3 or 4 roads out of a dozen or so in use.

 

[Aictos]

All I've seen are 3 or 4 roads out of a dozen or so in use.

Are you talking about the Thameslink depot at Peterborough per chance?

If you are then it does see a lot of use overnight,

 

[6Gman]

Why not? Quick drop off on down platforms, go down and pick up again from up platforms? Or use both up and down platforms for terminating trains - as there wouldn’t be any southbound trains to accommodate

Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. Where are we talking about? And what function is it being asked to perform?

 

[Harbornite]

Would there be any point in having trains to Cannon St, Victoria and Waterloo? It would, of course, be diesel or bi-mode only.

In a word, no.

In a few more words, of course not. How would that work and what would be the point?

 

[Harbornite]

Why not? Quick drop off on down platforms, go down and pick up again from up platforms? Or use both up and down platforms for terminating trains - as there wouldn’t be any southbound trains to accommodate

You should come and work in train planning, can't have enough armchair experts...

 

[Peter Kelford]

Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. Where are we talking about? And what function is it being asked to perform?

I wrote my comments with 'extra trains' as the function in mind.

In a word, no.

In a few more words, of course not. How would that work and what would be the point?

One of my ideas that I realised was a bad idea as soon as I posted it.